ACCCG a mistake?.....

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I keep seeing threads about the game moving and cities seem to be indifferent.

is the ACCCG a mistake? there are FEW acc teams that have the fan support to really sell that game out like the SECheats teams.

When you look at the ACC and the average attendance of 50k or lower for most of the teams you have to wonder what it will take for the ACCCG to create the same buz as the SECheats game.

I don't see Clem's son or F$U going any time soon and they are the only fanbases that would sell it out.
 
If you put it in Charlotte, it will sell out 90% of the time.
 
The game was not a mistake. Expecting FSU and/or Miami to play in it every year was.

EDIT: Plus, you really have to consider that Jacksonville is an SEC town. All UF folks. They are not going to go to the ACC championship game.
 
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law_bee said:
I don't see Clem's son or F$U going any time soon and they are the only fanbases that would sell it out.
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VaTech, UNC, NC State, Maryland, Virginia, and ourselves could also sell the game out if it was in Charlotte. The problems arrive when BC, Wake, Duke, or Miami is in the game combined with the location. I can guarantee you that they will sell two or three times the walk-up tickets in an ACC town versus the SEC.

Think about it from our perspective. If you find out a week before the game that GT is in it. Are you more likely to drive to Charlotte and back on the day of the game or to book a hotel and make a 7 hour or more drive to Jax or Tampa, probably having to miss work on Friday a couple of weeks before the holidays? For the country club fans, it doesn't matter, but for the rest of us, it's problematic, especially knowing that there will be a bowl game coming.
 
fattyjackson said:
The game was not a mistake. Expecting FSU and/or Miami to play in it every year was.

EDIT: Plus, you really have to consider that Jacksonville is an SEC town. All UF folks. They are not going to go to the ACC championship game.
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I moved to Jax last July. I was surprised to see how many gagger fans here. Everywhere you turn there's a damn "G" flag or sticker.

I even had a gagger loading concrete into my truck at Home Depot getting pissed at my GT stickers. The dumbarse even made a stupid comment to me about it.

I would have said "You do realize you're working for me, right now?" but I didn't want him to mess up my order or truck.
 
The ACCCG is about money. Not from attendance, etc., but from TV. So no, it was not a mistake.
 
GT1992 said:
VaTech, UNC, NC State, Maryland, Virginia, and ourselves could also sell the game out if it was in Charlotte. The problems arrive when BC, Wake, Duke, or Miami is in the game combined with the location. I can guarantee you that they will sell two or three times the walk-up tickets in an ACC town versus the SEC.
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I went to the GT ACCCG game (however weather was horrible and coming off ugag loss) and it was not the build up that team deserved. The reason I brought up Clem's son is they could lose to USC and a FEW MORE, however they would sell out in a monsoon.

My opinion is if you averaging ~50k for home games (which is most of the ACC) you are not going to bring the same amount that teams that averaging 90K bring.

I live in Charlotte and I can tell you people will be complaining about "what to do." The nascar museum will be finished soon (I think) if you are into that.

I would like to see a positive atmosphere.
 
ACCCG is not a mistake. Where and when they play it is.

The ACC lost all positive momentum when after expansion, their top teams crashed. To create momentum again, they need to provide an exciting environment for this game. The easiest way to do this is to play the game on the home campus of one of the two teams. There are many ways to decide who gets the game, but that really doesn't matter.

To create buzz and excitement, put the game at a home park.

OR put it into ACC cities: Atlanta, Charlotte or Baltimore (Baltimore is much stronger location than DC). In Atlanta, move the game to Thursday night if you must. It'd be good t.v. and it would sell out. There are plenty of ACC fans to market to. And play the game at Tech if you have to.

In Baltimore, if marketed ahead of time well, it'd sell out (every ACC team has support in D.C. Tech, for example, has the 7th most alumni in Maryland. MD, VPI and UVA has a lot of support.

Charlotte is an obvious central choice.

Anyway, the ACC is too worried about having warm weather games, etc. This is the ACCCG not the bowl game. Play it north, play it on Thursday, play it outside in the cold...it doesn't matter. But play it in an sold out ACC environment.
 
I think playing Friday in Atlanta would be the best idea. We'd guarantee a sellout (or near sellout each year). People would buy tickets well in advance because of the guaranteed environment, great city, and great hotels, and nice vacation.

Atlanta is home of college FB. They could pull off both game. There would be more than usual traffic, but if the city can pull of Superbowl, Final Fours, Olympics, NBA Allstar game, etc... They can pull off 2 Championship games in 1 weekend.

Most of the teams involved would have a good number of local fans as well.
 
law_bee said:
I keep seeing threads about the game moving and cities seem to be indifferent.

is the ACCCG a mistake? there are FEW acc teams that have the fan support to really sell that game out like the SECheats teams.

When you look at the ACC and the average attendance of 50k or lower for most of the teams you have to wonder what it will take for the ACCCG to create the same buz as the SECheats game.

I don't see Clem's son or F$U going any time soon and they are the only fanbases that would sell it out.
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Tampa papers carried a story this week that the Mayor (translation:the stadium Sports Authority) would no longer seek the ACC game that is being hosted 2008 and 2009 at Raymond James Stadium. This is the result of USF and the Big East influencing the city not to have the competition of holding a rival conference's game here in Tampa. The city caved and came out saying from now on they would focus on promoting USF. Part of this is to quell plans to build an on campus venue for football at USF and end the big rent being paid to us RayJay as the Bulls' home field. Also there was concern that FSU or Miami might be playing here further cutting into USF territory. I agree that Jax is bad choice too. Charlotte isn't good for Tech especially, and the weather in December could be brutal and will never be comparable to Tampa. The reality is this: until the conference improves and had multiple BCS contenders like the Big 12 or SEC, our game will not be a big draw-for the live gate or for TV.
 
Every CCG is a mistake for the fans except for the SEC one. Nobody cares.
 
You've got your regional blinders on. I doubt they'd agree in that strip of country between the Mississippi and the Rockies.
 
WaCoJacket said:
I think playing Friday in Atlanta would be the best idea. We'd guarantee a sellout (or near sellout each year). People would buy tickets well in advance because of the guaranteed environment, great city, and great hotels, and nice vacation.

What? Who buys tickets for a game that their team probably won't be in?

Atlanta is home of college FB. They could pull off both game. There would be more than usual traffic, but if the city can pull of Superbowl, Final Fours, Olympics, NBA Allstar game, etc... They can pull off 2 Championship games in 1 weekend.

I can agree that the infrastructure is there.

Most of the teams involved would have a good number of local fans as well.

Wrong. Atlanta is SEC country. Other than Clemson, there aren't many (20k+) grads of other ACC schools. They are much more heavily clustered around the DC area, Raleigh-Durham, Charlotte, and Florida. You see many more Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee, and Florida fans than the entire remaining ACC schools.
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You're wearing hometown blinders. GT doesn't have the top fan base in its' home city. Why would the ACC choose to play the little sister of the SEC?
 
http://www.ncaa.org/stats/football/attendance/1999/1999_story.html

The Southeastern Conference packed seats at an all-time record pace in 1999, averaging more than 100 percent capacity (100.4 percent) of its 12 stadiums. Other leagues with big crowds included the Big 12 Conference with 93.8 percent of capacity, Big Ten Conference with 90.9 percent and the Atlantic Coast with 85.7 percent.

I agree that the top conference record should have the ACCCG at their home field. That would create a sellout and a raucous atmosphere that would be great for the ACC.

Could you imagine if we would have played Wake at BDS! If we cannot find some city that is going to step up we should just let the best record in the conference get the game.
 
GT1992 said:
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You're wearing hometown blinders. GT doesn't have the top fan base in its' home city. Why would the ACC choose to play the little sister of the SEC?
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The dome is what makes the championship game work. people don't want to spend thousands of dollars to sit in the wet and cold.

ATL would be the 2nd best choice if CLT had a dome but since the ATL has a dome ATL is best.

FSU has to have over 20 k grads here. they are everywhere. I would guess UVA and UNC have quite a few but not 20 k. VT might be close to that.

Charlotte is the best and only fit if they can guarantee perfect weather.

The big 12 doesn't sell out unless Nebraska is in the game and it's in KC. They couldn't fill San Anotonio this year. The SEC sells out because they are in ATL, it's a dome, and it's the SEC. they couldn't and wouldn't sell out Bham in a non-dome stadium.
 
law_bee said:
I agree that the top conference record should have the ACCCG at their home field. That would create a sellout and a raucous atmosphere that would be great for the ACC.

Could you imagine if we would have played Wake at BDS! If we cannot find some city that is going to step up we should just let the best record in the conference get the game.
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I agree 100%.
 
WaCoJacket said:
I think playing Friday in Atlanta would be the best idea. We'd guarantee a sellout (or near sellout each year). People would buy tickets well in advance because of the guaranteed environment, great city, and great hotels, and nice vacation.

Atlanta is home of college FB. They could pull off both game. There would be more than usual traffic, but if the city can pull of Superbowl, Final Fours, Olympics, NBA Allstar game, etc... They can pull off 2 Championship games in 1 weekend.

Most of the teams involved would have a good number of local fans as well.
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I think my number one pet peeve on this board is the posters that believe Atlanta would be a good site for the ACCCG. As long as the SEC game is held there, it is logistically impossible to hold two football games in one a weekend, and if you disagree, it is only because you have never been to an SEC Championship game. The RV lots are FULL by Thursday at lunch time, for goodness sakes. Then you have the fan zone in the civic center to think about, all of the advertising banners to set up/tear down, plus facility cleaning....and that's before I even get to traffic and hotel issues. Not to mention, how hard would Atlanta really promote the game?

I agree with most people that Charlotte's proximity to a large number of ACC schools makes it our best chance for a sell out. However, I still don't know that it's a sure bet...it will probably still depend on the teams. Looking at how few fans BC brought to this years game, they would need help to fill up my high school stadium. It is possible that hosting it at one team's home stadium might make the most sense. I suspect only time will tell. I will be shocked if Tampa draws better that Jacksonville (unless Miami or FSU are in it), so we will probably have to wait until the game moves to Charlotte to see how viable it is.
 
I lived in Charlotte and as long as one of the teams isn't BC, FSU, or Miami, it will do fine. They would have sold out the last two games with Wake/Tech and VaTech fans. The funny thing is that everyone assumes Miami travels well and I remember GT outdrawing them to the Gator Bowl.
 
GT1992 said:
I lived in Charlotte and as long as one of the teams isn't BC, FSU, or Miami, it will do fine. They would have sold out the last two games with Wake/Tech and VaTech fans. The funny thing is that everyone assumes Miami travels well and I remember GT outdrawing them to the Gator Bowl.
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Miami only sells about 60% of their seats AT HOME, I believe.
 
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