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[JacketFan77]

In 2014 we were one of the most efficient offenses since they started tracking that stat. Better than Chip Kelly's Oregon teams. Better than Baylor under RG3.

https://www.fromtherumbleseat.com/2...on-course-to-break-ncaa-efficiency-rating-fei

Just going to leave this here:

All in all, GT and Justin Thomas have put together one of the greatest offensive performances in the history of college football, and to rather little acclaim. While GT's run at the end of the season has garnered the program significantly more respect than in past years, there has been little buzz for any individual on the team. In fact, this offense does not contain a single award winner or even 1st team all-ACC player, perhaps a grave injustice when you look at what statistically the team has done.

 

[GoGATech]

If the only football these guys had ever played was the TO that might be a good analogy.

But, since these guys have all played other offensive styles in their youth and HS days, its just a weak ass excuse.

Not necessarily, because a lot of those guys weren't getting recruited at many (if any) P5 schools running a traditional offense. guys We're behind on talent. You are also seriously underestimating our OL troubles and how much that translates to extremely poor offense. Couple that with not having a complete QB and its a recipe for disaster no matter who is coaching them or what offense they try to run.

The fact that they have exclusively practiced the 3O in however many seasons each has been here and now are trying to transition back is a very valid excuse. It's not as easy as some think it should be.

 

[coit]

All this after hearing over and over how this is both an NFL-style offense and an offense based on players instead of scheme.

That's the real money quote.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

True, in reality all of us knew that a day of reckoning was coming when we left the high school offense. I really did not think it would be this bad though

agreed. it's obvious why these guys were choppin' and floppin' the past few years - they don't seem to do well standing up!

Conversely, I think Graham and the WRs might be decent.

flip side of that, Wells now sucks. ??????

 

[RamblinWreck92]

Just going to leave this here:

That really highlights the national perception of this offense and thus how many, many recruits would be viewing us.

And why it had to go.

 

[floridajacket]

There it is. Efficiency. FPI. The stat tracked by people to make themselves feel better when we lose 48-42.

Yards per play on offense has gone from #41 in 2018 to #121 in 2019.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-play?date=2019-10-03

How much simpler do you want the stats to use? Do you think Washington State's and Army's offenses should be compared based on total yards, with no adjustment for number of plays?

There is a corresponding improvement in defense in the advanced stats, btw. I think S&P+ went from about #90 in defense to #40. Offensive S&P+ had similar shift as yards per play (~#40 to ~#120). FEI also probably overrated our offense, since we got home runs against lesser defenses. S&P+ puts more weight on play-to-play.

Not that the arguments over CPJ matter anymore. Being #40 in offense wasn't even that good, especially since CPJ never figured out defense. But I'll still die on a hill arguing against "shut up nerd" posts.

 

[18in32]

Yards per play on offense has gone from #41 in 2018 to #121 in 2019.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-play?date=2019-10-03

How much simpler do you want the stats to use? Do you think Washington State's and Army's offenses should be compared based on total yards, with no adjustment for number of plays?

There is a corresponding improvement in defense in the advanced stats, btw. I think S&P+ went from about #90 in defense to #40. Offensive S&P+ had similar shift as yards per play (~#40 to ~#120). FEI also probably overrated our offense, since we got home runs against lesser defenses. S&P+ puts more weight on play-to-play.

Not that the arguments over CPJ matter anymore. Being #40 in offense wasn't even that good, especially since CPJ never figured out defense. But I'll still die on a hill arguing against "shut up nerd" posts.

Good post. I appreciate the people that have the stomach to look under the hood right now. I can't bring myself to do it.

 

[Killick]

Just like I always hit one good shot on the 18th hole so that I will keep coming back, we will beat the hell out of someone this year and score 40+ points. It will ruin the other team's season, and CPJ haters will gloat and strut. But the next week, we will be back to what we saw last week. We will stay in that mode thru next season, so everybody can just cut and paste their comments from this year. In 2021, we probably win as many games as we will in 2019-20 combined; four possibly five. In 2022, we will be the last ACC team to qualify for a bowl bid, and Collins gets a two year extension. In 2023 or 2024, we beat uga because they are never going to break the 8 year streak, and because Collins' players will be trying to save his job. He gets fired anyway because we don't get a bowl bid. By then, CPJ's players have moved into positions of influence in the GTAA, and demand we hire somebody to run the TO. We begin another multi year transition.

 

[buzzmaniac]

Yards per play on offense has gone from #41 in 2018 to #121 in 2019.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-play?date=2019-10-03

How much simpler do you want the stats to use? Do you think Washington State's and Army's offenses should be compared based on total yards, with no adjustment for number of plays?

There is a corresponding improvement in defense in the advanced stats, btw. I think S&P+ went from about #90 in defense to #40. Offensive S&P+ had similar shift as yards per play (~#40 to ~#120). FEI also probably overrated our offense, since we got home runs against lesser defenses. S&P+ puts more weight on play-to-play.

Not that the arguments over CPJ matter anymore. Being #40 in offense wasn't even that good, especially since CPJ never figured out defense. But I'll still die on a hill arguing against "shut up nerd" posts.

Looking at 3rd down conversion on O and D this year thru 4 games, we are #126 and #96, respectively. Tough to win anything when both are lacking. Last year we were #26 (actually not that good compared to many prior years) and #129, respectively.

 

[vapspwi]

Looking at 3rd down conversion on O and D this year thru 4 games, we are #126 and #96, respectively. Tough to win anything when both are lacking. Last year we were #26 (actually not that good compared to many prior years) and #129, respectively.

I texted a friend during the game and said that my sense was I used to not be all that worried about converting third downs on O - I generally assumed that we would, a toss-up at worst. Now I know that we won't, barring a miracle.

Defense is same as it ever was, though - third downs have been a horror show more often than not for as long as I've been a fan (back to the late 80s).

JRjr

 

[aeromech]

I am a big fan of Nate and hoped he would find a role in the new O, but he was given a shot to earn time in the slot but a true freshman was better. And again, we returned no one with double digit completions or receptions.

The topic was returning production of which Mason & Howard are not the only 2. If you want to make a separate point that no one with double digit completions or receptions returned then I agree with you.