Alabama vs. Boise State or Utah

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A quick 5 minute perusal over at scout.com reveals the following:

(I know the recruiting services in football are an inexact science, etc... / nevertheless it basically reveals the overall strength of the various recruiting classes)

From 2004 thru 2008 (a span of time that comprises their present roster), Boise State has had cumulatively 4 4-star recruits and 25 3-star recruits while Utah has 6 4-star recruits and 22 3-star recruits. Note: neither school had a 5-star recruit / all the remaining recruits are 2-star or less (which comprises 75% of their roster!!!). In sum Boise State has had 29 3 or 4-star recruits over the past 5 years while Utah has had 28 3 or 4-star recruits over the past 5 years.

Alabama in just 2008 had 32 recruits - of which 3 were 5-star / 17 were 4-star and 10 more were 3 star for a total of 30 (5, 4 or 3-star recruits).

Conclusion: Alabama has more "quality" football talent in just 1 recruiting class than these other two schools have achieved in 5 years!!!

My Point? Why does the media feel that these horrendous teams from bogus conferences deserve an "at-large" BCS bid. How can anyone with even an enzyme of brain matter even think for one nano-second that either of these schools would be over .500 in any BCS conference - including the Big East.

Neither school has played a team in the top 25 all season?!?!?

I really think Duke would be 8-2 or 9-1 with Boise State's schedule!

What a truly awful situation.

Also, doesn't the fact that Boise State wins all its home gamesfor the last 10 years by, at least 50 points make you wonder just how unfathomably horrendous the WAC is? Yet they just beat their first BCS league team EVER on the road this year (Oregon). The situation is so mind-numbing bad.....

No wonder why just about every team in the nation has such a pathetic out-of-conference schedule.

Translation: According to where these team reside in the BCS right now - it is clearly better to beat Grady High School 2-0 at home on a blocked punt with 2 seconds left than to lose to last year's New England Patriots in Foxboro 39-38 on a last second hail mary from Brady to Moss.

SHEESH!
 
um...I have seen Boise St beat a BCS team away from home before this year...Oklahoma comes to mind a couple of years ago
 
ramblinwreck24 said:
um...I have seen Boise St beat a BCS team away from home before this year...Oklahoma comes to mind a couple of years ago
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There is a huge difference between "getting up" for one game here and there...and having to play your A game every single week.

In the BCS conferences, should you not show up mentally one weekend you will lose.

In the Mtn West and WAC, should you not be fully focuses against Idaho, San Jose St, or Utah State....it is ok...you still win.

Lastly, bowl games are not always good for evaluation. Unless it is a BCS Series bowl game, usually the small conference team is ecstatic to be playing in a decent bowl against a BCS conference team....and the BCS conference team is hacked off that they had a disappointing season and was pushed out to some crazy bowl out west or wherever. The BCS team has considered their season largely disappointing and want to enjoy the trip and get the game over with. The smaller conference team has everything to gain and nothing to lose.

Look...Utah barely best a crappy Michigan team (by two points) that will be lucky if they finish 3-9 this year. I believe that 9 of our 12 ACC teams this year could win the Mtn West or WAC.
 
hiveredtech said:
There is a huge difference between "getting up" for one game here and there...and having to play your A game every single week.

In the BCS conferences, should you not show up mentally one weekend you will lose.

In the Mtn West and WAC, should you not be fully focuses against Idaho, San Jose St, or Utah State....it is ok...you still win.

Lastly, bowl games are not always good for evaluation. Unless it is a BCS Series bowl game, usually the small conference team is ecstatic to be playing in a decent bowl against a BCS conference team....and the BCS conference team is hacked off that they had a disappointing season and was pushed out to some crazy bowl out west or wherever. The BCS team has considered their season largely disappointing and want to enjoy the trip and get the game over with. The smaller conference team has everything to gain and nothing to lose.

Look...Utah barely best a crappy Michigan team (by two points) that will be lucky if they finish 3-9 this year. I believe that 9 of our 12 ACC teams this year could win the Mtn West or WAC.
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Case in point: Hawaii. The signs were all there: going to overtime with San Jose State and Louisiana Tech, hanging their hats on squeaking by a bad Washington team. Still, the media kept fooling themselves by giving us the "well, they can only play who's on their schedule". Well, their schedule was a joke, and couldn't expose how far they were from the big time. I knew going in that uga would tear them apart. All my friends in my dorm were cheering for Hawaii, while I was telling them to go ahead and make funeral arrangements.

The fact of the matter is that 99% of these schools cannot compete at a BCS level. Of course, you can get up for a Bowl game with a month to prepare, and playing the entire game like you had nothing to lose. However, could that happen week in and out? I say no for the vast majority of those schools.
 
Hey Truth, Boise State beat Oklahoma two years ago. Also the number of stars that a recruit has doesn't mean jack $hit. Exhibit A: Morgan Burnett. He is one of the best safeties in college football but he was not a 5 star recruit. If you were bitching about not having a playoff, then I would support that argument. Who knows who Boise State could beat if they beat OU two years ago in their only chance against a BCS team on a big stage. A playoff would be the only way in my eyes to do it justice. In the NFL they play 16 regular games (vs. 12-13 for college) and have even less teams than college football (meaning they get a much better idea of who's who by the end of the season) yet they STILL have playoffs. And look at last year who won the superbowl. If NFL used some crap BCS system the New York Giants would never be allowed in the championship game. They would have been in the cotton bowl or some crap like that. But that's another story by itself. Regardless I would never bitch out Boise State because when they were given a shot, they performed against OU.
 
I think that the problem with your argument is that it completely ignores the quality of coaches. If you have a good coaching staff, you can develop talent instead of just recruit it - Utah beat the crap out of us in the Nuts bowl a few years ago and I guarantee we had a better team in terms of recruiting stars than they did.
 
HiverEdTech has it right - Oklahoma didn't show up vs. Boise State.

The point is - "truthfully" - that Utah and Boise State aren't bad teams, they are simply not deserving of even 1 second of BCS consideration.

This thread is not about instituting a playoff system.

This thread is about how stupid the commercialized media is (then again when is the commercialized media NOT stupid?) for playing up these teams that they are deserve of a BCS Bowl.
 
Mr. Truth said:
HiverEdTech has it right - Oklahoma didn't show up vs. Boise State.
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Isn't it a cop-out to say that any team with better recruited talent which gets beat by a team with lesser-skilled players (according to the "expert" high school talent evaluators) simply didn't show up?

Wouldn't it be a lot more reasonable to say that these players who were assigned a number of stars when they were 17 or 18 simply hadn't finished becoming the athletes they would grow to be in college?
 
Oklahoma did not show up for a BCS game? Pray tell, why? If you read hivered's post, he made an exception for BCS bowls -- which this was one.

If you are going on quality and performance, then you could argue that Big12 teams do not need to be in a BCS either -- or for that matter, ACC teams (harder argument is ACC not to be allowed, but the argument could be put out there). To be honest with you, the BCS this year probably should include Alabama, Florida, Oklahoma, USC, TT, and Texas -- leaving only 3 other bids remaining.
 
If either Boise or Utah put on Clemson's uniforms and played Clemson's schedule they would be ranked #2 or #3 and would play for the national title after Florida pummels Alabama.
 
You can tell Tech/UGA week is right around the corner. I smell a Dawg troll.
 
kirbee said:
If either Boise or Utah put on Clemson's uniforms and played Clemson's schedule they would be ranked #2 or #3 and would play for the national title after Florida pummels Alabama.
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Actually, think they both would have lost to Alabama in that game, kirbee...if they had VT's schedule, then I could see them being possibly undefeated and ranked 2 or 3.
 
BuzzMD said:
Oklahoma did not show up for a BCS game? Pray tell, why? If you read hivered's post, he made an exception for BCS bowls -- which this was one.

If you are going on quality and performance, then you could argue that Big12 teams do not need to be in a BCS either -- or for that matter, ACC teams (harder argument is ACC not to be allowed, but the argument could be put out there). To be honest with you, the BCS this year probably should include Alabama, Florida, Oklahoma, USC, TT, and Texas -- leaving only 3 other bids remaining.
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The funny thing is that we really don't know that either. TT/UT/OU are playing a bunch of weak teams too. UF/UA have beaten up the SEC except for a loss to Ole Miss, who lost to average Wake Forest....

The ACC just might have 9 of the best 12 teams in the country right now. You can't prove it one way or the other.
 
What I love about this thread is that all these posts are EXCELLENT arguments for why we need a f***ing playoff system!!!
 
cajunjacket said:
What I love about this thread is that all these posts are EXCELLENT arguments for why we need a f***ing playoff system!!!
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Honestly, as a Tech fan, I don't want a playoff. It's not good for us I think and it will still be crooked in the end.
 
midatlantech said:
Honestly, as a Tech fan, I don't want a playoff. It's not good for us I think and it will still be crooked in the end.
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How could it be crooked? You would still retain the bowl games for teams not in the playoffs, but you would just have a 8 (or 16) team playoff. The teams who are left out of the playoff will still complain, but their arguments will be less valid because a 3 complaining about not being 2 is much more valid than a 17 complaining about not being 16. I highly doubt you will have many 0, 1, or 2 loss teams kept out of a playoff system.
 
BuzzMD said:
Actually, think they both would have lost to Alabama in that game, kirbee...if they had VT's schedule, then I could see them being possibly undefeated and ranked 2 or 3.
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I don't think Alabama's that great. Bama may be a little better than Boise and Utah. Hard to say. I think there are at least a half dozen better teams than Bama out there. Bama looks to me like Ohio State the past few years.
 
kirbee said:
I don't think Alabama's that great. Bama may be a little better than Boise and Utah. Hard to say. I think there are at least a half dozen better teams than Bama out there. Bama looks to me like Ohio State the past few years.
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[tongue in cheek]

But Bama kicked Georgia's *** up and down the field in every way imaginable for 30 minutes, and we all know Georgia has the greatest bunch of talent ever assembled.

[/tongue in cheek]
 
JoltinJacket said:
[tongue in cheek]

But Bama kicked Georgia's *** up and down the field in every way imaginable for 30 minutes, and we all know Georgia has the greatest bunch of talent ever assembled.

[/tongue in cheek]
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That was beautiful. Did you see CPJ's quote about Georgia? STTE "The only time I've seen Georgia this year the score was 31-0 at the half and I turned off the TV." :laugher:

However, except for the OL, Georgia has the talent to be #1. They have more than Bama for sure.

Georgia has no leadership and very little character, plus their coaching has been suspect. (Goes hand in hand, no?) This is what happens when you rely on gimmicks.

Rest assured Georgia always comes to play against Tech. They really don't have anything left to play for except beating us again. I hope they don't get relegated to the Outback Bowl and get pissed off.
 
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