Alabama vs. Boise State or Utah

I don't care if Boise is the best team in the country or not - I just don't care to watch them play. I'd rather watch Tech play Bama, Auburn, Oklahoma, Duke, Stanford, Penn State, Northwestern, yada, yada, yada... Let me watch traditional football teams, please. I know, then it'll always be the same old teams playing every year.... and that's what I want.
 
I don't care if Boise is the best team in the country or not - I just don't care to watch them play. I'd rather watch Tech play Bama, Auburn, Oklahoma, Duke, Stanford, Penn State, Northwestern, yada, yada, yada... Let me watch traditional football teams, please. I know, then it'll always be the same old teams playing every year.... and that's what I want.

You realize this is the attitude that relegates the ACC to a second tier conference in the media's eyes, right?
 
It's not about the jimmies and joes, but about the bitches and hos.
 
This thread is stupid. No one is saying that Utah should play for the national title. And it's not some great epiphany that Non-BCS schools play easier conferences. But to say that an undefeated team is undeserving a BCS bowl berth is retarded, especially when you predicate the entire argument based upon arbitrary recruiting rankings. Newsflash: Rivals ranks players based on who is recruiting them.

Mr Truth needs to go troll the Clermont Lounge.
 
Has anybody mentioned Hawaii yet? Three of their last four wins in their "perfect" regular season were close wins against truly bad (or at the very least mediocre) teams, Fresno State, Nevada and Washington. Then, low and behold, they get annihilated by top-tier BCS team.

Boise State looks like the real deal this year, with one close win against Oregon and the rest of their wins blowouts. Boise State and Utah try to go after at least mid-tier BCS teams like Oregon. It's the mid-majors who sneak their way in on an extremely easy schedule and end up getting stomped that I'm afraid of.
 
Honestly, as a Tech fan, I don't want a playoff. It's not good for us I think and it will still be crooked in the end.

Please explain how its not good for us. I think its the opposite. We will never have a shot at a MNC as a one loss team for lots of reasons (small fan base, option offense, ACC, preseason rankings, etc etc). However, in a playoff system we could lose once or even twice maybe and still have a shot to win it.

I think the traditional powers will be the ones scared of a playoff. LSU, Ohio St, Oklahoma will no longer be handed a one game shot at a title because they are preseason ranked higher. They will have to win 3 tough games on a neutral field instead of one.
 
I agree with midatl on this one.

I fear a playoff would be a rich get richer scenario as less teams would have meaningful post-seasons...and a playoff would drive the bowls left over out of business.

I could easily see a playoff system only taking the first place team from each conference...particularly since the Big 12, SEC, ACC, and Conf USA all have conference championships now anyway.

I am a traditionalist...I like the bowl system...I like the bowls....I like seeing players play throughout late December that I do not get to see during the year.
 
I agree with midatl on this one.

I fear a playoff would be a rich get richer scenario as less teams would have meaningful post-seasons...and a playoff would drive the bowls left over out of business.

I could easily see a playoff system only taking the first place team from each conference...particularly since the Big 12, SEC, ACC, and Conf USA all have conference championships now anyway.

I am a traditionalist...I like the bowl system...I like the bowls....I like seeing players play throughout late December that I do not get to see during the year.
I agree with this whole heartedly. So much so, that I would prefer we did away with the BCS garbage we have now, and go back to the old ways of letting the AP decide. Go back to the old, classic bowl affiliations. The BCS is a sham, but playoffs aren't any better.
 
I agree with midatl on this one.

I fear a playoff would be a rich get richer scenario as less teams would have meaningful post-seasons...and a playoff would drive the bowls left over out of business.

I could easily see a playoff system only taking the first place team from each conference...particularly since the Big 12, SEC, ACC, and Conf USA all have conference championships now anyway.

I am a traditionalist...I like the bowl system...I like the bowls....I like seeing players play throughout late December that I do not get to see during the year.

How could less than two teams have meaningful post seasons? Maybe I got lost somewhere along the way, but I was always under the impression that you played sports to win championships, not to win a game that doesn't count for anything at the end of the season. Maybe I'm just too into the pro sports mentality, though.
 
I agree with midatl on this one.

I fear a playoff would be a rich get richer scenario as less teams would have meaningful post-seasons...and a playoff would drive the bowls left over out of business.

I could easily see a playoff system only taking the first place team from each conference...particularly since the Big 12, SEC, ACC, and Conf USA all have conference championships now anyway.

I am a traditionalist...I like the bowl system...I like the bowls....I like seeing players play throughout late December that I do not get to see during the year.

That's what the playoffs in any sport should be, the best teams from each conference playing each other. To be the best, you have to beat the best. It's simple: the winners of the 6 BCS conferences, the highest ranked non-BCS conference champion (probably establish a set ranking for them), and an at-large team. (2 if there are no ranked non-BCS teams, or if they're ranked too low in a system that holds them to that standard).

How exactly is that the rich getting richer? If a non-traditional school like a unc or a Texas Tech wants in, it's simple: Do what you should be trying to do every year, win your conference. That's the most efficient and fair way to have a playoff in my eyes. The main contention point would be how a non-BCS school's qualifications would be measured.

As far as the bowls are concerned, I've never liked the idea of bowls. To me, if I were playing, it would be a hollow concellation prize with the exception of the free stuff. That said, I understand their importance to programs that can't and don't compete nationally year in and year out. A playoff system doesn't have to eliminate the other bowls. I'm sure everyone's heard it by now, but I'm completely behind the idea of making the New Year's Day Bowls playoff games leading to the National Title Game. If needed, switch up the order of the BCS Bowl sites every year to make it fair. The Orange can be a Quarterfinal one year, the Semifinal the next, and so on. Everything else just goes on like normal.

I fully believe that a playoff system is better than anything college football has used, past or present.
 
How exactly is that the rich getting richer?
Things like our bowl streak...and other teams just making post season appearances on tv, with no competition on tv, is what allows the "second tier" teams to get good recruits.

Imagine if your season ended 11/29 every year...and you went nowhere. No trips for the players....not extra 10-15 practices...no extra tv exposure...etc.

That would be how the rich get richer.

Also...if you think a playoff system would not include a rep from every D1 conference I think we are fooling ourselves.

Lastly....the NCAA Tourney in basketball, like the bowls, also has a deep reward system with 64 teams going to the tourney...at least 4 from each major conference.

Bottom line....as a GT fan I really could care less if SoCal, Oklahoma, or Alabama (after they lose to Florida) feel slighted...fine with me. Let them drop to a normal bowl so that we get a shot at pointing out their flaws and improving our conference standing instead of relying on only our conference champion to do that.
 
hiveredtech, obviously you haven't read through all of my posts because I said that you would retain all of the bowls while instituting a playoff. In other words, the same thing would happen with all the teams except for like the top 8 or 16 (or however many you want to put in a playoff). I am stunned to see how some of you are against a playoffs considering every time ESPN polls fans/media it is overwhelmingly for a playoff/bowl hybrid system.
 
How exactly is that the rich getting richer?

Things like our bowl streak...and other teams just making post season appearances on tv, with no competition on tv, is what allows the "second tier" teams to get good recruits.

Imagine if your season ended 11/29 every year...and you went nowhere. No trips for the players....not extra 10-15 practices...no extra tv exposure...etc.

That would be how the rich get richer.

Also...if you think a playoff system would not include a rep from every D1 conference I think we are fooling ourselves.

Lastly....the NCAA Tourney in basketball, like the bowls, also has a deep reward system with 64 teams going to the tourney...at least 4 from each major conference.

Bottom line....as a GT fan I really could care less if SoCal, Oklahoma, or Alabama (after they lose to Florida) feel slighted...fine with me. Let them drop to a normal bowl so that we get a shot at pointing out their flaws and improving our conference standing instead of relying on only our conference champion to do that.

The powers that be wouldn't go for a playoff system that's larger than sixteen teams. Hell, it's hard enough to get them to go for a four team playoff. As it stands right now, some of those non-BCS teams are going to be on the outside looking in. Do you really think that if there was a playoff system, the winner of the Sun Belt conference @ 8-4 would get into the playoffs? Any system that comes up will more than likely have some type of special stipulation for those schools (which actually ties back into the original topic of this thread...)

I also mentioned in my post that there was a very easy way to retain the bowls for schools not competing in the playoff system. A system like this helps GT and other non-traditional schools because of the situation in the ACC and Big East this year. If the season ended today, Maryland (or miami), Oregon State, and Cincinnati would be going to the playoffs. That's two definite teams without that much tradition (one that moved up from CONFERENCE USA not too long ago), and possibly one more "getting their shot"

As far as those programs you mentioned slipping to "normal bowls", that doesn't happen with our current system. As it stands now, Florida, USC, and either Texas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma will get into a BCS game. One of them will most likely end up in the national title game. You're looking at one or two possibly slipping down to "normal" bowls for schools to have their shot. Bowls aren't just going to disappear from the world if there are playoffs instituted.

There are only 7 games needed for a playoff system. That's the Orange, Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, National Title Game, and maybe the Cotton and Capital One Bowl (there can be bidding for the two extra bowls). That takes away only three to four bowls that would have been filled mostly by teams in the playoffs. If necessary, you can create two new bowls to replace the two that participate in the playoffs, or you could use a site more than once. Once for a playoff game, once for an actual Cotton Bowl game. There are plenty of options that accomodate retaining the bowls mostly as they are.

Trust me, if we stay above 7-5 every year, we will be in a bowl. If we're competing for a conference championship every year like we should and we expected when we hired CPJ, then we will be in a bowl. Hell, we have a better chance to play for a national title under those circumstances, because we don't have to worry about media perception, strength of schedule compared to the SEC, etc. All we have to do is take care of ourselves, win the conference, and we're there, playing for a shot at the national title, controlling our own destiny.
 
I agree with this whole heartedly. So much so, that I would prefer we did away with the BCS garbage we have now, and go back to the old ways of letting the AP decide. Go back to the old, classic bowl affiliations. The BCS is a sham, but playoffs aren't any better.

One thing about the old system...1990. The BCS isn't great, but injustice was a yearly thing under the old system.

I'm personally in favor of a 6 team playoff of the BCS conference champions or an 8 team playoff for the BCS conference champions plus the MWC and WAC champions.

An NFL style wild-card system would limit the importance of regular season games. For example, if such a system existed then, OSU and Michigan would have played their backups in their #1 vs. #2 game a couple years ago.

And a 6/8 game playoff would at most add a couple of games in December for a handful of teams. Then have the championship game held in a rotating bowl and have the rest of the bowl picks fall where they may.

Such a system makes sense, but it scares the old powers too much to maybe be eliminated by even a MWC school. They like the political game for the championship better.
 
There are 11 conferences now...and 4 indie schools.

I could easily see legal proceedings occuring from a scenario that excluded the big conferences from being in a playoff. Because of legal threats the current BCS system devised a way to make it easier for the Boise St, Utah, and Hawaii to get in.

Heck...maybe the easiest way for GT to get in would be to join one of those conferences and go undefeated! jk...I think we will win the ACC soon.
 
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I see what you are saying floridajacket, but I think that a wild card has to instituted. This year, if there was no wild card in our "fantasy" playoff system, USC would not be in the playoffs because Oregon State is more than likely going to win the Pac-10 this year. For situations such as that, you must have wildcards. This year, with just 2 wildcards and 6 conf. champs you would have the six conference champs plus Alabama/Florida (whoever loses conf champ) and Oklahoma/Texas/Texas Tech (whoever is the next best after conf champ). This would still be leaving out teams like USC, the third best team in the Big 12, the second best in the ACC, and some of the mid majors who are going to be bitching all day. That's why I think that 16 is the most fair playoff system. For people who say that is too many games, I beg to differ. The NFL plays 16 games in the regular season and it is quite common to see rookies getting burnt out by the end of the season because they aren't used to playing that many games. The max games any team would have to play with a 16 team playoff would be 17 (12reg+1confchamp+4playoff). And yes, you can incorporate bowls into those 8+4+2+1=15 games. You would cycle the bowls for the first round every year (kind of like how they do in March Madness). It will benefit a different city's economy each year. Then for the remaining 7 games (elite 8, final 4, championship) you do what GTSaxaphone was saying. Lastly, you would still have bowls for people who aren't going to the playoffs as we do now.

So, in conclusion, you would take conference champs from all 11 conferences and then 5 at large. Indie teams like Notre Dame would have their special rules just like they do now for the BCS.
 
One thing about the old system...1990. The BCS isn't great, but injustice was a yearly thing under the old system.

I'm personally in favor of a 6 team playoff of the BCS conference champions or an 8 team playoff for the BCS conference champions plus the MWC and WAC champions.

An NFL style wild-card system would limit the importance of regular season games. For example, if such a system existed then, OSU and Michigan would have played their backups in their #1 vs. #2 game a couple years ago.

And a 6/8 game playoff would at most add a couple of games in December for a handful of teams. Then have the championship game held in a rotating bowl and have the rest of the bowl picks fall where they may.

Such a system makes sense, but it scares the old powers too much to maybe be eliminated by even a MWC school. They like the political game for the championship better.

You raise an interesting point. The idea of having an at-large bid team is for teams that play in extremely tough conferences such as the Big 12 South. With a one loss Texas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma, can you honestly say that one deserves to play for the title more than another? If Oklahoma wins Saturday, they could go to the Big 12 championship game just because of how the teams on their schedule were positioned. Also, since there is only one at-large spot, you don't necessarily have the luxury of resting starters. Unless there's one team who is clearly deserving of that spot, you have to play to the bitter end to try to make your case over the other possible at-large teams.

The real issue lies in the conferences without championship games. In the Big 10, Pac 10, and Big East, if someone wraps up the conference fairly early, then we may see some teams resting starters. However, I don't think that situation would arise too often until MAYBE the last game of the year, which is the rivalry game for most schools, and that would be somewhat interesting to see how that plays out. The solution to that would be to finally get all conferences to play a championship game. I like the Pac-10's "everyone plays everyone" deal too. One or the other should take place, which myself personally leaning towards everyone having a conference championship game. It doesn't take away from the regular season, because everyone is still competing for a conference championship. In fact, it may cause them to push harder to know that winning your conference means you can compete for a national title.

I also like the point that hivered bring up about the non-BCS, and the independents, namely, Notre Dame. Personally, I think Notre Dame should shut up and join a conference. Especially since they already qualify for Big East bowls, and compete in the Big East for EVERY OTHER SPORT. However, since I don't see that happening in the near future, something like the compromise included in the BCS deal would have to occur. Notre Dame would get an automatic spot in the playoffs if it were in the top 10, or only had one loss or something. I don't like it, but it may become a necessary evil due to those stuck ups in Indiana. As far as the non-BCS schools, they need to realize that not everyone is created equal. Squeaking by Louisana Tech, and San Jose state =/= beating uga by 39. It just doesn't. I'll be happy to take the Boise States and Utahs, but even for them, they'll have to try and schedule some BCS calibur opponents (and not some 4-8 Washington) to prove they belong. Like I said in my original point: Highest ranked non-BCS conf. champion, or hold them to a set rank to get in. (The only problem with the latter would be possible politics keeping them from being voted up that high.)
 
Even in playoff systems, teams get jobbed out of spots or unfair things happen. It happens all the time either with March Madness committees or bizarre NFL tiebreakers.

If Oklahoma goes to Kansas City in a threeway tie, I'm guessing it's due to playing better opponents from the Big 12 North. Just like the NFL, sometimes those kind of tiebreakers are needed, even though it's no fault of Texas or TT who they drew from the other side of the conference. Oklahoma still played the better schedule.
 
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