Article on O'leary and UCF kid.....

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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3676754


This was out Nov 1 but don't think it was brought up here.

Former Central Florida running back James Jamison says during his interview with OTL that Ereck Plancher, a redshirt freshman wide receiver, struggled at the workout and that coaches have understated the difficulty of the drills.


Jamison said during the interview that he believes "they ran a player to death."
"Every step he [Plancher] took, he was about to fall over .. He was just, literally like everybody was looking at him ... pushing his body like past his limit ... " Jamison said.

"Coach is like, 'That's a bunch of BS, son,' like, 'I expect better from you,' just dogging him ... I'm thinking, 'Why you, why you getting on him? Everybody's tired. Like, look around you,' " Jamison said.
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I think this is complete BS. I remember being run all over the field in PEEWEE much less higher level. While this is a tragedy I think these SPORTS JOURNALISTS who never fastened a chin strap need to get a life.

People die in the bathtub. If this was a dehydration issue (like Bear Bryant and Junction Boys) then that could be an issue. If he had access to water then I can't imagine there is a successful H.S., Peewee, or College program in the south where some of the players are not bitching about being run too much.
 
law_bee said:
People die in the bathtub. If this was a dehydration issue (like Bear Bryant and Junction Boys) then that could be an issue. If he had access to water then I can't imagine there is a successful H.S., Peewee, or College program in the south where some of the players are not bitching about being run too much.
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O'Leary was before my time so I don't know enough about him to make an opinion on this. Anyone else have thoughts?

It's worth noting also that what happened at Junction was way overblown and Bryant wasn't nearly as brutal as he was made out to be there.
 
law_bee said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3676754


This was out Nov 1 but don't think it was brought up here.




I think this is complete BS. I remember being run all over the field in PEEWEE much less higher level. While this is a tragedy I think these SPORTS JOURNALISTS who never fastened a chin strap need to get a life.

People die in the bathtub. If this was a dehydration issue (like Bear Bryant and Junction Boys) then that could be an issue. If he had access to water then I can't imagine there is a successful H.S., Peewee, or College program in the south where some of the players are not bitching about being run too much.
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Wow, you really are a crappy lawyer considering you have managed to completely overlook all the facts. Listen, I like George O'Leary. Loved him as a coach at GT. But he ****ed up something fierce with this kid.

The kid had a previous medical condition which the staff knew about and was disclosed to GOL when he recruited him. The staff denied water for the kid and continued to make him strain himself through physical activity anyway.

When he passed out, the coaches told the other players to leave him alone. It wasn't until he didn't get up that they moved him to a bench and started checking him out.

Its gross negligence. GOL has always been a rough no nonsense tough coach, but what he did might not have prevented this young man's death, but he certainly as hell didn't give him a fighting chance.

To compare it to your tough days on a peewee football field is ****ing disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself. A young man lost his life. Go tell that to his mother you sorry sack of ****.
 
this story was all over ESPN's inside the lines and they did a good job of covering it. I suggest everyone take a moment, go to the espn site and watch the video about it.
 
denied him water?

There are NUMEROUS STATEMENTS that he was offered water. ESPN is like the Enquirer or the The Globe.

Are you tell me that Aliens landed on Grant Field. While this young man's death is a tragedy it is TOO EASY to second guess the rigors of college football.

I assure the Plaintiff's lawyers were feeding all this info to ESPN.

Why don't you ask Fridgemover or Fridgemover2 to detail their experience of rigors of playing.
 
law_bee said:
here is an article talking about the author and how he is on the scandel beat

http://shysterball.blogspot.com/2008/08/espns-enterprise-unit.html
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I saw the Outside the Lines on ESPN and there's more to the story - the guy had a medical condition (sickle-cell anemia) which isn't otherwise harmful but can be dangerous under extreme physical conditions. I believe the NCAA now requires players to be tested (prior to this incident) and UCF had tested him and knew the condition existed.
 
law_bee said:
denied him water?

There are NUMEROUS STATEMENTS that he was offered water. ESPN is like the Enquirer or the The Globe.
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Sounds like your mind is already made up - I thought OTL tried to present all sides fairly.
 
why don't you take the time to read Junction Boys. There has never been a coach more abusive than Bear Bryant.

The quality of ESPN reporting is a joke. AJC is the starting point for some of their "top reporters."

While O'leary has his faults I assure this incident happened to F$U and could have happened to CPJ.

Also are you going to be the one to tell a young man from the inner city he cannot play college sports b/c he MAY have a health condition?
 
law_bee said:
denied him water?

There are NUMEROUS STATEMENTS that he was offered water. ESPN is like the Enquirer or the The Globe.

Are you tell me that Aliens landed on Grant Field. While this young man's death is a tragedy it is TOO EASY to second guess the rigors of college football.

I assure the Plaintiff's lawyers were feeding all this info to ESPN.

Why don't you ask Fridgemover or Fridgemover2 to detail their experience of rigors of playing.
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Listen, no one has to explain to me the rigors of playing. I was an all state track runner in the 400 meters and 800 meters and was offered a couple of scholly's including a partial at GT and I only ran track for two years in highschool. I know what its like to run so hard you collapse from exhaustion and puke uncontrollably. I've been there. I used to run a half mile in 1 minute and 55 seconds. I ran the 400 in 47.8 seconds. For a white boy, that is flying. The only guy who ever beat me heads up in the 400 is Derrick Mills and he beat me in the VA/MD/DC allstar meet when he was a senior and I was a junior. He later went on to win a couple of gold medals and set a lot of records at GT to boot.

Don't give me a lesson in the rigors of playing. I've competed at a fairly higher level than most. I didn't run in college by choice not because I couldn't do it. I just wanted to actually have a normal college experience and my family was financially secure to allow me to go to GT without having to run for my education. Besides, I ****ing hated it and at the college level it took up a lot of time.

That said, trying to paint this as a family trying to gain something from their sons loss is ridiculous. Only a complete turd would do that.
 
ESPN OTL covered it very well. Bob Stoops is one of the only coaches being proactive in this type of illness.

The point is when they came back from spring break and not having any activity for a while they jumped in full boar and it shocks the kids bodies. Instead with this illness they should spend no more than two days doing about 80% activity and then go at it hard. That's the only thing George really should have done.
 
It is ESPN AND PLAINTIFF'S LAWYERS who are making money off this tragedy.

But there is such a thing as assumption of the risk. If you bring O'leary and UCF down then the next time a young man has a medical condition he will not be GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY to play college sports.

EVERY GAME there are hits that could lead to paralysis. You can attack O'leary but that does not change the dynamics of college football.

I assure you that you are being spoon fed the facts they want you to hear.
 
law_bee said:
why don't you take the time to read Junction Boys. There has never been a coach more abusive than Bear Bryant.
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I watched the junction boys, and quite honestly, I've been through tougher ****. Try waking up running 10 miles in an hour and then going to two a day football practice. I was the only kid who played football who ran middle distance events, and because football training didn't put me in track shape, my coaches had me work extra while participating in football practice. And we weren't scrubs in football either. We started the longest unbeaten streak in the state. After practice I didn't have to run with the team, as the coaches were nice enough to let me go straight to the track to run sprints with my track coach.
 
refrigeratormover said:
ESPN OTL covered it very well. Bob Stoops is one of the only coaches being proactive in this type of illness.

The point is when they came back from spring break and not having any activity for a while they jumped in full boar and it shocks the kids bodies. Instead with this illness they should spend no more than two days doing about 80% activity and then go at it hard. That's the only thing George really should have done.
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The bottom line for me is and again, I like GOL a lot. Loved him as a coach. Is he knew the kids medical history and treated him the same anyway.

And Lawbee, if I am "being spoon fed facts" then you must know all the facts. How about sharing them mr. insider.
 
Law, I talked to one of the sons whose father played for Bear. The movie/book was not a good indicator of how Bear was. Hard ass, yes. But not like the movie depicted him.
 
DON'T WATCH THE JUNCTION BOYS go grab the book. The movie is a joke. The book is an interesting read.

After reading the book tell us if you went through tougher stuff.
 
BarrelORum said:
The bottom line for me is and again, I like GOL a lot. Loved him as a coach. Is he knew the kids medical history and treated him the same anyway.

And Lawbee, if I am "being spoon fed facts" then you must know all the facts. How about sharing them mr. insider.
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Exactly, and that's why George is getting the heat. Look, I thought George did some good things here, He also did some very bad things as well. His arrogance will always be his downfall, unfortunately he doesn't get it.
 
I understand the legal profession. There are people who will MAKE MILLIONS by blowing this situation up and that is plaintiff's lawyers and ESPN
 
rent the movie Gatica. If plaintiff's lawyers have their way that will be where college football ends up.

I am all for testing and evaluating, but from what I have read this was an unforseeable tragedy. IMO

But if you read the bio on this reporter he is a scandel hunter pure and simple.
 
law_bee said:
DON'T WATCH THE JUNCTION BOYS go grab the book. The movie is a joke. The book is an interesting read.

After reading the book tell us if you went through tougher stuff.
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I'd be willing to bet a million bucks yes I did. I don't need to read it. A track runner's work outs are infinitely harder than a football players work outs. The difference is track runners typically are built to withstand a lot of physical endurement. I was the best conditioned athlete on our football team. Not the best athlete, but the best conditioned. I used to run through practice and jog off the field, when most were holding their heads to their knees trying to grasp a breath of air even the guys we had that went on to play D-1 and D-1A football and there were a few. Its apples and oranges training, but no offense to football players, the physical punishment you put yourself through to get in football shape is nothing compared to a track runner getting in track shape. Football is play to play and you get water breaks.

Its apples and oranges because a football player would collapse over dead from running 3 miles in 24 minutes. A track runner would collapse over dead from getting hit by a 280 lb DE.
 
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