Article on O'leary and UCF kid.....

Also regarding the Junction Boys book the forward was written by Gene Stallings who was present during the events.

I have never heard Stallings attack Bear Bryant so it seems like it is an accurate depiction from his perspective. Also Dent has written about OU and another sports book.

My problem is IMO ESPN is sensationalizing this tragedy.
 
law_bee said:
I understand the legal profession. There are people who will MAKE MILLIONS by blowing this situation up and that is plaintiff's lawyers and ESPN
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law, to me it's pretty simple. The kid had sickle cell. The impact of that on people under physical stress is well understood now. The athletic trainers association had released guidelines earlier in the year to their membership on how to should respond to a kid with sickle cell. UCF completely ignored those guidelines. I don't think it's GOL particularly because coaches are supposed to coach, not try to be medical professionals. But either the UCF staff was incompetent or they were so afraid of GOL they ignored the situation until it was too late. I would bet anything the family wins the suit.
 
since I have spoken with a member of the coaching staff who was also present at the time of this death, I ca nsay that this workout is nothing out of the ordinary. I knew a kid that dies in a high school basketball game from sickle cell trait, was it the high school coaches fault. DOnt believe everything you read
 
56Jacket said:
since I have spoken with a member of the coaching staff who was also present at the time of this death, I ca nsay that this workout is nothing out of the ordinary. I knew a kid that dies in a high school basketball game from sickle cell trait, was it the high school coaches fault. DOnt believe everything you read
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That's my point. I don't know how GOL could be liable unless he ignored medical advice. But I'd hate to be the head trainer at UCF.
 
refrigeratormover said:
Law, I talked to one of the sons whose father played for Bear. The movie/book was not a good indicator of how Bear was. Hard ass, yes. But not like the movie depicted him.
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Definitely a hard ass, and more in my opinion. I remember a quote from Leroy Jordan after he ran down one of our guys in a tight game in the 60's. He was asked how he caught our halfback from behind. He answered by telling "he was running for a touchdown, I was running for my life". And I would tell some of our guys that Dodd needed to be harder on them, like the Bear, to play to their capabilities. They would quickly say that with our academics, if we had a Bear type coach, they would transfer. The Bear was overbearing, and a cheater, well known at the time.
 
law_bee said:
It is ESPN AND PLAINTIFF'S LAWYERS who are making money off this tragedy.


LawBee,
I've been reading StingTalk for a while. This is my first post, and I hate to make disagreements from the get go, but I think you are way off characterizing the driving force behind this story as greed.

The family of the deceased football player has a right to know what happened. They should not have to settle for a university official saying, "we conducted an investigation and found that it was just an unfortunate event." They have a right to know what the investigation entailed. Most importantly, they have the right to find out themselves.

A lawsuit is the most civil way to have this happen, and the discovery process will get to the truth.

And IF... IF it is found the university did that boy wrong, they should pay.

I can't speak for ESPN, but I can speak for "plaintiff's lawyers" because I am one. My clients don't come through my door wanting a truckload of money, and juries (at least those in Georgia) don't award money for frivolous cases.

All that said, I'm sure we can agree on one thing: THWG! :D
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I don't like to see cases tried through the media. I hope O'leary can move on from this too, but my hope is that he moves on because he did all he could do and did not do anything reckless when it came to this boy's health.
 
BarrelORum said:
I'd be willing to bet a million bucks yes I did. I don't need to read it. A track runner's work outs are infinitely harder than a football players work outs. The difference is track runners typically are built to withstand a lot of physical endurement. I was the best conditioned athlete on our football team. Not the best athlete, but the best conditioned. I used to run through practice and jog off the field, when most were holding their heads to their knees trying to grasp a breath of air even the guys we had that went on to play D-1 and D-1A football and there were a few. Its apples and oranges training, but no offense to football players, the physical punishment you put yourself through to get in football shape is nothing compared to a track runner getting in track shape. Football is play to play and you get water breaks.

Its apples and oranges because a football player would collapse over dead from running 3 miles in 24 minutes. A track runner would collapse over dead from getting hit by a 280 lb DE.
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This reminds me of an experience at a track meet in high school. I was an OL on the football team and threw shot and discus for track. Well, long story short, we were in a tiny meet with three schools. The last event was the 4x400 and the fourth guy didn't show up and my ride was late. It was just me and the three runners. I ran in it just to get the automatic points.

I ran first so I didn't have receive the handoff and trying to look decent running the 400 ****ing killed me. I had worst football practices, but I can't begin to imagine running multiple 400 and 800 heats in a single day.

Now, rugby combines the best of both worlds. I think only boxing holds a candle to the toughness of rugby.
 
Barnhart 12-12-08
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/cfb/entries/2008/12/12/its_payday_for.html

3. Investigation will clear UCF, O’Leary:
Central Florida is doing the right thing in calling for an independent investigation into the collapse of player Brandon Davis during a recent morning workout.

...The reason this was news was that back in March another UCF Player, Eric Plancher, died during a workout.

...That episode caused a cloud of suspicion to rise over this incident. The parents of the player have charged in media reports that Davis had kidney failure and was not given water during the work out. Both of those things are going to turn out not to be true.

...UCF has hired an attorney with NCAA experience to conduct a thorough investigation into the training practices in O’Leary’s program. It will show that UCF’s workouts are no different than any other program in Division I-A football. Are those programs too strenuous? That’s another argument.
 
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