Attendence vs Enrollment

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BerryGT

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Not sure if this was observed on here at the end of last season. I found it interesting.

Tech /
12,744 (Fall 08 Undergrads)
47,489 (08 Avg FB Attendence)
FB attendence is 3.73 times undergrad enrollment

UGA /
25,163 (Fall 08 Undergrads)
92,746 (08 Avg FB Attendence)
FB attendence is 3.69 times undergrad enrollment
 
Especially considering that half of our undergrads are sitting in the library during the game.
 
I'd like to see how some other schools fare in that stat.
 
This is an interesting stat --very enlightening.

What would make it even more interesting is if the attendance figures for the Institute and the University were subgrouped by educational attainment.
 
Don't forget the possibility that stadium capacity can limit the maximum attendance numbers, forcing the ratio down artificially. I don't doubt that some of the larger schools could put 150K+ in the stands if they could build large enough stadiums.
 
ETBee said:
Don't forget the possibility that stadium capacity can limit the maximum attendance numbers, forcing the ratio down artificially. I don't doubt that some of the larger schools could put 150K+ in the stands if they could build large enough stadiums.
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Hmmm. In theory that sounds possible. However, I would think that they'd MAYBE sell more tickets for a few big games and completely not sell anymore for smaller games. I think the ratio wouldn't change that much in effect.

Let's be fair, the market is partially what determines stadium size. If UGA truely had demand for 125,000 fans, they'd build that stadium.

The big boys don't sell out every game either.
 
We have less than 13k undergrads? Damn I thought it was at least 15k.

Anyway, this is why I get so annoyed with people who think our fanbase and the city of Atlanta have so much in common. Just the other day, during that stupid ESPN 40 team draft thing, Miesal (or however you spell it) commented on us that teams in pro-team cities have fickle fanbases. I say that's just dandy cause we don't draw much Atlanta crowd to begin with.
 
midatlantech said:
Hmmm. In theory that sounds possible. However, I would think that they'd MAYBE sell more tickets for a few big games and completely not sell anymore for smaller games. I think the ratio wouldn't change that much in effect.

Let's be fair, the market is partially what determines stadium size. If UGA truely had demand for 125,000 fans, they'd build that stadium.

The big boys don't sell out every game either.
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i think you are wrong. the limit to the stadium size is not market demand, but the fact that the upkeep is expensive, construction cost outstrip ticket fees, and logistical concerns such as water, parking, traffic, public safety also come into play

i think UGA, along with Ohio State, Tennessee, Auburn and so on could sell more tickets if they were available. easily.
 
midatlantech said:
Hmmm. In theory that sounds possible. However, I would think that they'd MAYBE sell more tickets for a few big games and completely not sell anymore for smaller games. I think the ratio wouldn't change that much in effect.

Let's be fair, the market is partially what determines stadium size. If UGA truely had demand for 125,000 fans, they'd build that stadium.

The big boys don't sell out every game either.
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I read yesterday Bama is building up to 101,000 at Bryant Denny in Tuscaloosa, and their still have a 10,000 person waiting list for season tickets.
 
GTLiebs said:
We have less than 13k undergrads? Damn I thought it was at least 15k.

Anyway, this is why I get so annoyed with people who think our fanbase and the city of Atlanta have so much in common. Just the other day, during that stupid ESPN 40 team draft thing, Miesal (or however you spell it) commented on us that teams in pro-team cities have fickle fanbases. I say that's just dandy cause we don't draw much Atlanta crowd to begin with.
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Before the Falcons, Tech Football was a pretty hot ticket.
 
Wow, interesting Birddog link. I had no idea Clemson had such a small enrollment. I thought for sure it was up in the 18k range.
 
I'm not saying they can't sell more tickets, BUT statistically when you look at all programs (losers too), they won't sell substantially more. And if they did, they'd run the risk of watering down the competitive nature of getting tickets and eventually water down the ticket base.

Tech's ticket sales last year are based on last year's games. This year, our sales will average 53,000, an increase of 13%. But it's opponent related, etc. just like other programs have to deal with.

Athletic Departments aren't stupid. You keep only so many tickets available to keep demand high.

If Tech built another 10,000 seats, we'd sell another 25,000 of them this season too. But we'd kill the whole PSL and season ticket need by having that excess capacity (something we're dealing with anyway.)

I'd guess it costs $1,500 per seat to add seats. It was my understanding that the cheapest guy at Athens got season tickets at a total cost of $2000. Building more seats would be a pretty good return on investment based on those numbers. So why wouldn't they expand to 100,000?

It's unfair to only look at the recent HOT program, Alabama for example. Across the board I just don't see significant increases in ticket sales by enlarging the stadiums more than they are today. The NFL, for example, got smart, and started building 70,000 seat new stadiums instead of struggling with 100,000 seat giants. They knew that balancing act of supply and demand and how to work the locals.
 
beej67 said:
Wow, interesting Birddog link. I had no idea Clemson had such a small enrollment. I thought for sure it was up in the 18k range.
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Like the state of Alabama, South Carolina has few entertainment options to offer, unlike the state of Georgia and particularly the Atlanta area.
 
Nashville Jacket said:
The school should lock the library and all labs on game day.
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yeah, since the SCHOOLs mission is really athletics and not education, this would be a great idea

worse than having fewer fans there are having fans there that dont care about what is going on, that is much worse IMO
 
BuzzCzar said:
i think you are wrong. the limit to the stadium size is not market demand, but the fact that the upkeep is expensive, construction cost outstrip ticket fees, and logistical concerns such as water, parking, traffic, public safety also come into play

i think UGA, along with Ohio State, Tennessee, Auburn and so on could sell more tickets if they were available. easily.
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In addition to construction and maintenance, there is the effect on ticket price due to supply and demand. If everyone who wants a ticket can get one, the prices will drop. Also the view from the upper seats in a 125,000 seat stadium is not as good as a big screen HD television these days. The economics of big stadiums are more complicated than bigger is better.
 
beej67 said:
Before the Falcons, Tech Football was a pretty hot ticket.
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Hmm didn't know that. What I've always heard is that generally in the last couple decades (maybe more, just spitballing), there have been more UGA fans in Atlanta than Georgia Tech fans.
 
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