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The B1G and the SEC cover almost all states where politicians actually care about football. You think NC and VA pols are gonna come in and save the day :D
The real issue with the politics of CFB is that the NCAA had an opportunity a few years ago, when not paying its employees who were basically earning billions of dollars, became untenable, to allow players to form a union so they could negotiate regular payments and impose salary caps, etc. like in the pros, which would have allowed for some semblance of parity and allowed 100-120 colleges to still be competitive, even if there were only10-20 colleges in the top tier.
They didn’t, and this issue went to the Supreme Court which voted unanimously, across political divides thst players should be allowed to make whatever money they can through NIL which effectively ended any hopes of parity and ensured that the richest schools also got the best players.
That, combined with the massive TV contracts which mean the only way you can join a major conference (B1G or SEC, and I’m not so sure about the latter anymore) is if you can bring in $60-$70mm worth of TV ads all on your own, means it’s game over for about 70 odd D1A programs, and that’s assuming both the major conferences expand to 24 teams each.
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Can't be that much worse than MTSU, Citadel...
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Maybe we can kiss Kansas’ feet for old time’s sake to grovel our way into the B12
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I’d rather they just shut the whole sport down than explicitly pay players and have a salary cap and all that NFL-lite stuff. I’ve got no interest in that.
The degree to which the NIL stuff, presumably intended to allow players to sign autographs at the local car wash and sell memorabilia, has IMMEDIATELY turned into boosters paying players on the table indicates just how poorly thought out the whole thing was.
10 years ago I couldn’t imagine not caring about college football, but between our performance on the field and the general trends in the sport off the field, it’s seeming a lot more likely.
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How does that maximize profits? Having a second class conference to the B1G and $EC doesn't maximize anything. Payouts lower than those two result in profit and viewership stagnation. People are trying to justify being included in expansion by opening markets for the B1G in particular, when the ACC has those markets locked. Keep them shut out.
Maximization of profits results when teams in the ACC become national entities with meaningful games. In order to do that the teams need to be relevant again. Clemson is doing it. Miami, F$U, GT, VPISU, UVA, UNC have all been consistent top teams in their past. As much as people talk about ND to the B1G. They can't go there now. They have to go to the ACC. Even if they stay independent, they still have to play us. What good are their contracts if the ACC teams begin kicking their ass on a regular basis.
That growth can't happen without ESPN buying in as a partner. That means providing additional money to increase the payout and bet on the conference. THAT will maximize the profits. Relegating the ACC does just the opposite.
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Why are you so resistant to payer play with salary caps but ok with coaches being paid millions (and now 10s of millions) while college athletic departments are reeling in hundreds of millions through TV contracts?
This idea of amateurism is obviously ridiculous and more relevantly, predictably illegal.
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Because coaches are professionals employed by the school and players are volunteers participating in extracurricular activities. Pay their room and board, give ‘em an education and access to training and medical facilities, and if they don’t like the deal, they don’t have to play. *shrug* I’m not interested in watching an NFL minor league - just burn it all down rather than turn college football into that.
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I could see the competing networks trying to secure what is left for their side. I'd guess, FSU and Miami would be big plays. Clemson or UNC. Maybe GT for Atlanta.
If I were the BIG10, I'd want a major presence in the SE, not just one school. If you could get FSU, Miami, Clemson, GT, and UNC that would be a coup.
Not sure where UVA, NC State, and VT would fit in.
Yep, The Cit proved that point....I had blanked MTSU out of my mind. In the words of the field attendants in Major League "we're still ööööty"
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If I were ANY conference I’d be talking to ESPN about what might be most lucrative. Likewise, if I were ESPN, I’d be trying my best to create a situation that makes me the most money, and with this much money at stake, I wouldn’t be leaving that to school and conference presidents.
JJacket
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The school and conference presidents are more savvy than you're giving credit.
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The way I see it there are three models:
1) College football is an amateur sport with the main emphasis being on the sport itself. It's monetized to some extent to make sure there is a quality product, but conferences are regional, traditions are upheld, coaches are paid around the same as professors, the student part of student-athlete is actually real, etc.
2) College football is a billion dollar business with the main emphasis being on making money. 100 year old traditions are discarded with wanton disregard, conferences are nationwide, coaches abandon their players to chase their next big payout, schools set up fake majors, etc.. All the profit is split among the coaches, administrators, and networks. The schools agree with each other to fix the compensation given to players at the cost of room and board with harsh punishment for anyone who gets caught giving players money.
3) The same as #2, except players can share in the profits.
I can see an argument for wanting #1. Hell, I think it's what most fans would prefer, including me. But the reality is that the sport was already at #2 well before the Supreme Court decision came down.
If every move made within the sport is already focused solely on making money, which it has been for a decade at least, then I don't see how the players receiving some of that profit instead of it going only to coaches and administrators makes things worse IF it is done in a way that preserves (or ideally even increases) the level of parity in the sport.
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That's actually a really good take. I'm not sure the legal basis, but could the state of Georgia say that the BOR or whoever has the ultimate authority, they simply did not have the authority to sign such a binding agreement? Therefore GTs agreement is nullified? You're right it only takes 1 school to wiggle out. I suspect Clemson or FSU will have better luck getting their state legislatures behind them simply because they are more popular in their states (especially with FSU being in the state capital, plus with having 2 ACC schools).
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Extracurricular activities raking in billions of dollars. Professionals who are being paid 10s of millions of dollars.
None of it adds up.
What was the argument for Collins? Why is he getting paid millions of dollars? It wasn’t because he is a football guru. It’s because he is good at “recruiting”. Translated, what that actually means is that if Tech wants to compete in the billion dollar college football business it needs the best workers. And since you cannot pay workers, you do the next best thing. You transfer the money you would have paid those workers to the people who would have marginally better odds of attracting better workers.
The vast majority of CFB coaches are paid for recruiting. Not for their professional coaching skills. That’s why they flame out when they hit the NFL. And that’s why the only successful ones in the NFL (Harbaugh, and that’s pretty much it) are the ones who showed their skills at colleges where they have recruiting handicaps.
The coaches aren’t being paid for their professional football skills. They are being paid almost entirely for their ability to attract the best unpaid workers, because we don’t have a reasonable system.
Put Paul Johnson and Saban in charge of the same set of players and Johnson will always do much better. And yet Paul Johnson isn’t even coaching while Saban earns more than many NFL coaches. That’s entirely because of recruiting. Not because of any professional skills at which Saban is better.
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What's even more incredibly dumb is a Tech fan supporting a system whose only goal is to transfer money from the actual players to the coaches, athletic directors, and all the fringe players in college sports (like local construction barons).
In a reasonable alternative system, where players have a player union which allows the NCAA to legally cap player salaries, and legally cap overall spending on players, and eliminate NIL and other nonsense like that, the best players would be flocking to places like Tech. With a good annual salary, and suspensions for breaking the rules, there would be very little incentive for players to take money under the table. They would essentially do as well financially whether they're at Tech or a much larger school.
Their incentives to pick a school would now shift to other, more substantive incentives. Schools which have a high quality education system and a strong alumni network which would help them if they get injured or their professional careers do not pan out. Schools that hire high quality coaches who are good at coaching them and making them better players, rather than coaches who can just collect the most 5 star players under their stable. By paying players you would actually put the student back into student athlete, because their choices would now be driven by whichever place taught them best, both academically and football.
And just for context, to put some numbers out there. Saban's salary alone will allow every Alabama football player to 80k plus leave Alabama $4mm to pay Saban with. Of course, it's not certain that in such a system with far more parity Saban could even command that amount.
In a reasonable alternative system, where players have a player union which allows the NCAA to legally cap player salaries, and legally cap overall spending on players, and eliminate NIL and other nonsense like that, the best players would be flocking to places like Tech. With a good annual salary, and suspensions for breaking the rules, there would be very little incentive for players to take money under the table. They would essentially do as well financially whether they're at Tech or a much larger school.
Their incentives to pick a school would now shift to other, more substantive incentives. Schools which have a high quality education system and a strong alumni network which would help them if they get injured or their professional careers do not pan out. Schools that hire high quality coaches who are good at coaching them and making them better players, rather than coaches who can just collect the most 5 star players under their stable. By paying players you would actually put the student back into student athlete, because their choices would now be driven by whichever place taught them best, both academically and football.
And just for context, to put some numbers out there. Saban's salary alone will allow every Alabama football player to 80k plus leave Alabama $4mm to pay Saban with. Of course, it's not certain that in such a system with far more parity Saban could even command that amount.
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6 wins? When are we going to win six games? You are a ööööing optimist.
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Say what? You truly think that Paul Johnson is on the same coaching level as Nick Saban? Come on. I’ve seen some beyond gold color homer takes, but this is at the top. Nick Saban worked his way up from Toledo to MSU to a defunct LSU and then took over a middling Bama program. Regardless of what college he left, he left it in a better position compared to when he started. That cannot be said about GT. He inherited a lot of talent and left the program with #75+ FBS talent.
Johnson is a great X’s & O’s HC, but he’s not even close to Saban.