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Bobby Ross\'s recruiting classes 1987-1991....

This information comes courtesy of the font fathead on the Hive, who gave me this info. I had read it on the Hive 6 months back and so that is why I got in the arguement with BW in the first place. I have also asked for copies of the media guides from the GTAA to confirm this information. My contact there has said they are trying to get me some copies of the recruiting info in each one.

There is also some things to consider. This info was at a time where it wasn't as easy as it is now to rate and rank players. To gather this info on each prospect wasn;t as easy as it is today since we have computers and everyone is apart of the World Wide Web. There weren't a ton of recruiting services and online didn't exist, so there weren't star systems, etc. etc. Some of the info is incomplete I believe as Calvin Tiggle was coming out of JUCO and was one of the best JUCO prospects in the country at the time yet has nothing mentioned by him. Also, Raleigh Boulware as I recall from living down the hall from him in college was a major prospect out of HS. Other than that, Dorsey Levens was a recruit in the 1989 class that we lost to ND. I think he was the #1 RB in NJ according to SuperPreps. Of course he ended up transfering to GT later. This info is not all complete but here it is so far. As you can see Ross's class in 1988 and 1991 were two of the best classes in Gt history as far as HS accolades are concerned. 1987 wasn't half bad either as there were several All American Honorable mentions and Blue Chip prospects.

So anyway, courtesy of fathead:
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1991

Badio, Greg RB Spring Valley, NY. 6'03" 230 4.6 – SuperPreps #66 P-I-NE, Lemming "New Jersey's Finest All Around Player", G&W Report Top 200 in nation
Burdette, Larry WR Decatur Ga. 6'04" 180 - All Metro 100% Wrong Club
Cheever, Michael OL Sharpsburg, Ga. 6'03" 245 – Super Prep A.A., #45 P-I-DIxie, AJC Top 35, AJC #31 P-I-Ga.
Cox, Jamal ILB Baltimore, Md. 6'02" 215 – Super Prep A.A., #20 LB-I-USA, #15 P-I-MidAtl., USA Today Hon Men. A.A
Davis, Donnie QB Burlington, N.C. 6'02" 180 4.6 – Parade A.A., Super Prep #1 QB-I-USA, Emfinger #1 QB-I-USA, Lemming Top 200 P-I-USA
Dukes, Jason OL Augusta, Ga. 6'07" 294 -
Duncan, Curtis DT Amityville, NY. 6'06" 275 – Super Prep A.A., #68 P-I-NE
Flowers, Lethon DB Columbia, SC 5'11" 185 4.4 – Super Prep A.A., #10 DB-I-USA, #14 P-I-MidAtl., Emfinger Top 150-I-USA, #9 Athl-I-USA
Gillispie, Mike OLB Silver Springs, Md. 6'03" 200 – Super Prep A.A., #50 P-I-MidAtl.
Hickson, Don SS/OLB (transfer from Seaton Hall Track) Blackwood, NJ 6'02" 215 -
Jackson, Harry OLB Pittsburgh, Penn. 6'02" 187 4.6 -
Maiello, Pete OL Holbrook, NY 6'03" 255 – Super Prep A.A., #83 P-I-NE, USA Today Hon Men. A.A.
Patton, Lee OLB Cleveland, Tenn. 6'05" 230 – Super Prep A.A., #72 P-I-Dixie
Sims, Yancy OL Talbotton, Ga. 6'03" 285 – AJC Top 35, AJC #33 P-I-Ga.
Smith, Carlos FS/SS Farfield, Oh, 6'03" 190 - SuperPreps A.A., #41 P-I-Midwest
Stewart, Ryan FS/CB Monks Corners, SC. 6'02" 185 - SuperPreps A. A. #19 P-I-MidAtl., #12 DB-I-USA, AJC #40 P-I-SE, Emfinger #2 Safety-I-USA,
Varnau, Chuck OL Greensburg, Pa. 6'04" 295 - Lemming "Blue Chipper"
Wilkerson, Rodney RB-ILB Franklin, Ga. 6'02" 215 – AJC Top 35, AJC #32 P-I-Ga.
Zachery, Cedric WR Decatur, Ga. 6'01" 175 4.4 – AJC Top 100 in GA , AJC #97 P-I-Ga.


1990

Andrews, Boyd ILB Atlanta, Ga. 6'0" 215 - All State LB (AAA) by AJC
Bender, Jason WR Pittsburgh, Penn. 6'02" 200 – Sporting News Honarable Mention Blue Chip, Finest 44 Pittsburgh Press
Billingslea, Eric DB Alqiquippa, Pa. 5'10" 175 – Finest 44 Pittsburgh Press
Boulware, Raliegh DL Columbia, SC. 6'05" 237 -
Bravy, Brian DL Farmingville, NY 6'05" 300 -
Brown, Michael DB Memphis, Tenn. 5'11" 168 -
Garner, Rob OL Sunrise, Fl. 6'05"280 -
Hendrix, David SS Norcross, Ga. 6'02" 190 -
Johnson, Tim RB Lavonia, Ga. 6'0" 195 -
Jordan, Mitch ILB Rome, Ga. 6'01" 220
Lincoln, Jimy RB (see 1989) Pittsburgh, Penn. 5'09" 176 -
Mancil, Wade OL Notasulga, Al. 6'07" 280 – Birmingham News Top 11
McGill, Jason WR Miami, Fl. 6'01" 175 - 3rd team All Dade County
Morris, Greg DB Ashland, Va. 5'09" 180 -
Neuss, Bill DL Bellport, NY. 6'05" 235 -
Papushak, Jeff ILB Strongsville, Oh. 6'03" 217 - 2nd Team All State
Reed, Lamont OLB Miami, Fl. 6'03" 220 - All Dade County
Simmons, Charlie WR Macon, Ga. 6'03" 190 – AJC Top 30, AJC #19 P-I-Ga., Sporting News Hon. Men. Blue Chip, Poop Sheet Top 140 ACC Prospects
Smith, Michael RB Pensecola, Fl. 6'00" 200 – Super Prep A.A., Blue Chip A.A.
Tillman, Jesse QB Miami, Fl. 6'02" 180 4.65 - 3rd team All Dade County
Vance, Todd TE Buford, Ga. 6'03" 215
Wilson, Damon OLB Hemstead, NY 6'04" 245– Sporting News Hon. Men. Blue Chip

1989

Baxter, Brian ILB Lilburn, Ga. - 2 star Terranova
Bell, William RB Miami, Fl. -
Brooks, Chris OL Baltimore, Md. – Super Prep Top 35 in Mid-Atl. Region, 3 star Terranova, Baltimore Sun All-Metro
Coleman, Marcus DB Youngstown, Ohio -
Day, Curley DB Tampa, Fl. -
Dunn, Todd OLB Fl. – Orlando Sentinels 2nd Team All-State
Hamilton, Derrick RB Jamaica, NY -
Johnson, Tom OLB Huntsville, Al. -
Kimsey, Richard DL Snellville, Ga. - AJC AAAA All State, 3 star Terranova
Lincoln, Jimy RB – Finest 44 Pittsburgh Press
Pharr, Steve ILB Charlotte, NC -
Quinn, Marty OL West Islip, NY. -
Reese, James FB Miami, Fl. -
Rice, Antonio TE Charlotte, NC -
Rudolph, Coleman OLB Valdosta, Ga. – AJC Top 30, AJC #19 P-I-Ga., 3 star Terranova
St. Clair, Gary DL Riverdale, Ga. -
Sisson, Scott PK-P Marietta, Ga. -
Steele, Kelly FB Toccoa, Ga. -
Strohmeier, Rich TE Queens Village, NY. -
Thompson, Moses WR South Ozone Park, NY. -
Tiggle, Calvin ILB (JUCO) Fort Washington, Md. -
Walker, Kenan WR College Park, Ga. -
Willaims, Marlon OLB Decatur, Ga. – USA Today Hon Men.
Wright, Jeff RB Smyrna, Ga. -

1988 Class ranked #22 in Nation Terranova, #20 in US by G&W Recruiting

Bellamy, Eric DB Cliffwood, N.J. 6'01" 175 -
Bakken, Troy OL Orlando, Fl. 6'06" 295 – Sporting News Top 100 Hon. Men., Lindy's Blue Chip
Battle, Kevin DT Atlanta, Ga. 6'05" 300 – USA Today Hon. Men. A.A. , Poop Sheets Top 175 in ACC
Clay, Willie DB Pittsburgh, Penn. 5'10" 175 – USA Today Hon Men.
Coleman, Marco OLB Dayton, Oh. 6'03" 240 -
Frederick, Kyle OL Tucker, Ga. 6'04" 280 – USA Today Hon Men., Poop Sheets Top 175, AJC Top 35 in Ga. Emfinger's Top 100 in South
Gold, Scott OL Tucker, Ga. 6'04" 268 – USA Today Hon Men., Poop Sheets Top 175, AJC Top 35 in GA
Goshay, Derek TE Columbus, Ga. 6'04" 215 - USA Today Hon Men.
Goolsby, Brent WR Marietta, Ga. 6'0" 185 -
Howard, Jeff QB Rex, Ga. 6'02" 170 – USA Today Hon Men. A.A., Sporting News Top 100, AJC Top 35, Emfigers Top 100 in USA
Johnson, Jay WR-DB Tifton, Ga. 5'11" 175 -
Jones, Shawn QB Thomasville, Ga. 6'01" 193 – Sporting News Top 100, AJC Super 11, Poop Sheets Top 175, Lindy's 3rd team All-South
Kushon, Jim DT Pittsburgh, Penn. 6'06" 275 -
Lewis, John OL Lilburn, Ga. 6'03" 240 – AJC Top 35, Sporting News Top 100 Hon Men. A.A.
MacKendree, James TE Miami Beach, Fla. 6'05" 225 -
Merchant, Emmett WR Paulsboro, NJ. 5'11" 170 – Sporting News Top 100 in USA, Super Preps Top 35 in NE
Milam, Woody OL Smyrna, Ga. 6'05 255 – USA Today Hon Men., Poop Sheets Top 175
Moore, Antonio RB Hempstead, NY. 5'11" 190 – Super Prep A.A., USA Today Hon Men., Sporting News Top 100
Peoples, Kevin DB Gainesville, Fl 6'0" 185 -
Rodriguez, Bobby WR Staten Island, NY 5'11" 175 – Super Prep A.A. #22 P-I-NE, USA Today Hon Men. A.A., Sporting News H.M.A.A.
Scott, Frank DB Johns Island, SC. 6'0" 175 -
Swilling, Ken DB-WR Toccoa, Ga. 6'02" 220 – Parade A.A., USA Today A.A., Sporting News Top 100, AJC #3 in Ga., #13 in SE., #24-I-USA
Terranova, David OL cherry Hill, NJ. 6'05" 250 -
Weaver, Bill WR-P Flintstone, Ga. 6'04" 210 -
Williams, Jerrelle ILB Orangeburg, SC. 6'0" 215 -
Wright, Rusty DE Rex, Ga. 6'03" 238 -

1987

Baldwin, Randy RB Griffin, Ga. 6'0" 212 – ALC Super 11, AJC Top 30, Emfinger 8.97, 3 star Teranova, G&W Top 300 in USA
Chubbs, Billy DL Cartersville, Ga. 6'02" 245 4.8 - Lindy's Blue CHip SE
Covington, Tom WR Heampstead, NY.6'03" 200 -
Edwards, T.J. (transfer Duke) RB Moultrie, Ga.5'10" 180 – AJC Top 30 in Ga, Orlando Sentinel All-SOuth
Edwards, Will OL 6'03" 275 – Florida Times-Union Super 11
Freeman, Russell OL Homestead, Pa. 6'07" 280 -
Gallagher, Jim QB Brookhaven, NY. 6'06" 225- Adidas Honerable Mention A.A.
Lavin, Jim OL (transfer Army) River Ridge, La. 6'05" 265 -
Lester, Greg WR Decatur, Ga. 5'11" 170 4.4 - Honerable Mention All State, Lindy's "Best of the Rest" Blue Chip Prospects
Mancaruso, Jim ILB Shirlye, NY. 6'02" 235 4.7 -
Mooney, Mike OL Mount Airy, Md. 6'07" 330 -
Scotton, Stefen RB Cleveland, Tenn. 6'01" 215 4.5 – USA Today Hon. Men. A.A., Knoxville News Top 25 in Tn
Stegall, David RB Germantown, Tenn. 6'0" 184 4.4 – Knoxville News Top 25 in Tn, Lindy's Blue Chip in SE
Swilling, Darrell OLB Toccoa, Ga. 6'02" 210 – AJC Top 30

I think this info will be educational to all.
 
ah, the memories

man, a whole world of football and great times at Georgia Tech just flashed before my eyes!!!
 
Re: Bobby Ross\'s recruiting classes 1987-1991....

I'm going to side with BW on this one. BR classes were rarely highly regarded - especially considering the sucess he had W vs. L. There were plenty of recruiting services (magazines, newsletters, etc) even back then and none had us ranked top 20 other than 88 - and the media guides will reflect that. Yes there was no internet back then but there was plenty of ratings and stars to go around. Tom Lemming, Terranova, Lindy's, (and one other I can't remember), plus every mid to major newspaper.
Yes 91 had its share of good ratings but even that class was seen as "should have been better" taking into account being undefeated, smacking UGA for the 2nd year in a row, Nebraksa Citrus Bowl, etc.
BR won games a lot in part b/c he could get more out of his players than most coaches. I think that is why his less than stellar classes were rarely criticized.
 
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I'm going to side with BW on this one. BR classes were rarely highly regarded - especially considering the sucess he had W vs. L. There were plenty of recruiting services (magazines, newsletters, etc) even back then and none had us ranked top 20 other than 88 - and the media guides will reflect that. Yes there was no internet back then but there was plenty of ratings and stars to go around. Tom Lemming, Terranova, Lindy's, (and one other I can't remember), plus every mid to major newspaper.
Yes 91 had its share of good ratings but even that class was seen as "should have been better" taking into account being undefeated, smacking UGA for the 2nd year in a row, Nebraksa Citrus Bowl, etc.
BR won games a lot in part b/c he could get more out of his players than most coaches. I think that is why his less than stellar classes were rarely criticized.

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You have to ignore a LOT of All Americans to have that opinion.
 
Re: Bobby Ross\'s recruiting classes 1987-1991....

I suppose you're talking about SuperPrep all-america's. It was a nice thing to have by your name but it was hardly an elite crowd. I think if you filled out one of their questionnaire's with your coaches signature you were halfway to making their team. Don't you think it's odd to be the #68 player in the NE but be crowned "all-america"? Parade and Usa Today are more exclusive - of which we had 3 players on those lists.
You claimed BR "had some very highly ranked classes". There was 1 that was rated, and #20 at that. That's all I was saying.
 
Re: Bobby Ross\'s recruiting classes 1987-1991....

Fox, closely examine the credentials of the '88 class and note the major contributors to the '90 team. Whether they were from the '87,'88, or '89 classes, the majority of the difference makers on that team were recruited by other major programs which is a far superior barometer that mags etc. BOR's post should once and for all end BW's claim that our '90 team was a collection of non-highly recruited players. No, his lists don't include "other offers", but look at '88's accolades and answer for yourself whether they rec'd them. It should also serve as a dose of reality, in that you can't consistently win big without players that programs on an equal footing to those ON YOUR SCHEDULE wanted. If we sign players that ugag, fsu, & Miami wanted, or players that programs the equal of those 3 wanted, we will be fine, otherwise no. We can sign classes that are very good based on how WE normally do, but if they aren't as good as who we play, then we lose ground.
 
Re: Bobby Ross\'s recruiting classes 1987-1991....

I never questioned the quality of the 88 class. There were no doubt several guys that received offers from other TOP programs that year. However, other classes around it could not make the same claim as that class. I can tell you firsthand there were plenty of players that played A LOT on the 90 team whose offers were the likes of Duke, Wake, Army, Miss St., Memphis St., etc.
I agree with you - to be a top program year-in, year-out you have to sign the kids that your opponents want. But BR had the ability to take the lightly regarded, but blue collar good kids and win.
 
the gray fox?????????

wanted to say "hey"-I am at your old high school now-that should tell you who I am. Think we have a shot at Richard or Miller? Is Robertson official yet?
 
Re: Bobby Ross\'s recruiting classes 1987-1991....

I agree that as a general rule, the rankings are accurate indicators. To say they mean nothing is absurd. I think any of you could agree with this.

I think any of you would also agree that there are always plenty of exceptions to the rule in both directions.

As far as the '90 team goes, I think Marco Coleman has been the single most successful player of the group. Nobody has done more in the NFL from that team. His other big offer was the Citadel, and we've disussed that one long ago.

Some of the others came in big and played big. A few came in big and didn't.

That being said - we all want the same thing - - for UGA's five stars to be the exception and for ours to pan out just fine. For our one and two stars to be the exceptions to the rule and for UGA's to be exactly what they came in as.

We all want the same thing. Some of us just have more of a desire to be right and/or be permitted for as long as possible to wear our gold colored glasses.

Some of us are too cynical and some of us are too delusional and we all want to be right, but we all want the same thing and this is already a day for celebration.

Let's quit arguing just for today and let's show appreciation to all the great kids that decided, once and for all, to align themselves with the Jackets today. I'm happy as hell with who we already have and can't wait to see the rest. Let's not be a part of anything negative on a day like today. We want the new blood to come in with the same great attitude they started with.
 
Bor..You just proved MY POINT..And you wont

admit it....Only one of those classes were ranked by ANYONE as top 25...Who in the heck is terranova or G&W ??? Who ranked that class 22 in that one year ?? They certainley are NOT Lindy's or Street & Smith or Lemming the MOST recognized People back THEN...You were a kid back then and I was an Adult and you might (Dont take that the wrong way) NOT have noticed it like I did...I remember VIVIDLY..On that main recruiting show that came on on Saturday Morrnings (the name fails me) the recruiting guru was asked (this was in 1991 after we won the MNC) IF GT would win the state of Georgia in recruiting or get into the top 10..the guy said it would take GT winning 2 to 3 MNC's to achieve that.. Gray Fox and I are right and you are wrong on this...

The MAIN point IS...We were NOT ranked as High as 20 to 25 other teams EVER during the Ross Years in recruiting...By the Main 2 0r 3 So=-called Gurus back then....PEACE...You need to let go of it...

I am not trying to mislead anyone when I post and im certainley not making things up as i go (as you accused me of) IM just stating what i BELIEVE to be TRUE as a LONG-TIME follower of GT football...Im telling you flat out...Ross got GREAT players but his clases were NOT top 25 classes...You CAN win a MNC without having top 25 classes every year by the So-called experts...Ross proved it...
 
BW, shut up already...

You are so dead wrong. That is all the info I could find. I didn;t even bother mentioning that USA today did a huge article on the 1991's best recruiting classes and harped on ours for a long time. Our 1991 recruiting class was considered the best in Tech history.

The fact of the matter BW is we've only been in the top 25 in recruiting classes LESS than a handful of times, the last time being in 2000 and that was the first time since 1991. Out of all of our recruiting classes 88 and 91 were two of the best Tech has ever seen. Get off of your jaunt already. You are wrong.
 
Compared to all of our past coaches...

Bobby Ross recruited better than most all of them. His players had some serious HS accolades. And as Gray Fox mentioned it WAS easy to get mentioned by Super Prep as a Region star, top in state, etc. etc. What he failed to say was that it wasn't easy being a Super Prep AA.

What amuses me about this whole thing is until I posted this, you had no freaking clue as to what accomplishments those classes had. If you want to argue with me, why don't you find the number of times Tech has had a class rated higher than #20? Please go find this info for me. I'd like to see it. I stand by what I said, Bobby Ross had a ton of big time recruits and had some very highly rated classes. Even the partial evidence speaks for itself.
 
BOR...

don't worry about fighting with BW. It won't do any good. He is simply a PR mouthpiece for Gailey and his staff, and if he had his way, we would annoint Gailey to be the King Of All The World! He simply cannot tolerate someone disagreeing with his stance on Gailey or anything that is related to Gailey.


This recruiting class is good, imo. It is not GREAT, but it is GOOD. It is a step in the right direction for Gailey and his staff, and I applaud them for that. But anyone who believes that this class beats those that are mentioned above from 1988 and 1991 are out of their mind. O'Leary's classes didn't touch Ross's and neither do Gailey's.
 
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don't worry about fighting with BW. It won't do any good. He is simply a PR mouthpiece for Gailey and his staff, and if he had his way, we would annoint Gailey to be the King Of All The World! He simply cannot tolerate someone disagreeing with his stance on Gailey or anything that is related to Gailey.


This recruiting class is good, imo. It is not GREAT, but it is GOOD. It is a step in the right direction for Gailey and his staff, and I applaud them for that. But anyone who believes that this class beats those that are mentioned above from 1988 and 1991 are out of their mind. O'Leary's classes didn't touch Ross's and neither do Gailey's.

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I'm not arguing with him about Gailey. I like Gailey a LOT and think this recruiting class is much better than good. I just think BW tries to pass off his opinion as fact way too often without providing any substance to back it up. The Ross comments were just the last straw for me.
 
Bor YOU SHUT UP...If

you want to meet up and see if you can shut me up..Then lets do it..Ive tried being nice to you and proving my point BUT you are NOT that type of individual...THE BOTTOM LINE IS: YOU can NOT PROVE to US all That Lindy's, Street & Smith OR Lemming the Big 3 recruiting Gurus back then Ranked GT Classes top 25 from 1987-1991 ..YOU CAN NOT do it...You WERE a KID back then unlike me and you did not notice every year hoe GT was left off of those magazines as a top 25 recruiting class...Now dont tell me to shut up again UNLESS you want to meet up and back it up...Im NOT going to argue with you anymore YOu proved my point with your 1st post.....You have YET to prove my point wrong...NO top 25 recruiting classes by the top gurus or at the most your 1 year example from Terranova..Who in the heck is Terranova ...G&W ....Ha...Who puts any stock in G&W or terranova....You are just ticked because you can not PROVE me wrong...Go on misleading everyone that Ross had Recruiting classes that rivaled FSu,Miami,ugag and all the top teams...Simply because you want to prove me wrong...
 
Re: Bor YOU SHUT UP...If

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you want to meet up and see if you can shut me up..Then lets do it..Ive tried being nice to you and proving my point BUT you are NOT that type of individual...THE BOTTOM LINE IS: YOU can NOT PROVE to US all That Lindy's, Street & Smith OR Lemming the Big 3 recruiting Gurus back then Ranked GT Clases from 1987-1991 ..YOU CAN NOT do it...You WERE a KID back then unlike me and you did not notice every year hoe GT was left off of those magazines as a top 25 recruiting class...Now dont tell me to shut up again UNLESS you want to meet up and back it up...Im NOT going to argue with you anymore YOu proved my point with your 1st post.....

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BW, you are a crazy old man, and I will gladly tell you in person anything I say on this board. And I will back it up. You need to stop taking things so damn literally, it makes you come across as complete irrationale. But then again, you come across that way anyway. And stop with these fialed attempts to act like your opinion is the majority board opinion, it's not. I have proven to most people on here and the Hive that I was right. you and a handful of other people might disagree, that is fine with me. But if you want to ignore evidence that I went and found and presented to you (something you WOULD NOT DO and Could not do), and you still give me crap then you can kiss my ass.

I have followed Tech since grade school. I graduated Highschool in 1991, and went to the Citrus Bowl with my Dad the year before as a Senior in Highschool. I followed recruiting a LOT that year as I it was my senior year in Highschool. When USA today puts your star player on the FREAKING COVER of the newspaper on NAtional Signing Day and does an article mentioning the best classes and talkes about Tech's class as one of those, IT DOESN'T GET ANY BIGGER THAN THAT!! So pipe down and stop acting like a freaking lunatic.

Edited for fear of sounding like BW..
 
There are NO threats involved here...

and best you and I do not meet up...Because your BADLY mistaken if you think you could shut me up...I would NEVER ever make the 1st move..But make NO mistake about it after the other person did it wouldnt be a pretty scene and ruin both lives. Im not an old man as you say..So I love life and lets just not ever meet up. No need to ruin either of our lives. That is the Adult thing to do.......you will not Shut me up on this board as your wish is....I will speak as often as I wish...And feel i am 100% right here on this subject and have still NOT been proven wrong...End of story...From here on out I will leave you alone. You HAVE come after me PERSONALLY and that will not be tolerated..... .
 
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