California/Stanford poll

Are you in favor of adding Cal and Stanford to the ACC, assuming a financially favorable deal?


  • Total voters
    184
I see it as a way to stick it to Clemson, FSU and UNC.

Having two more members voting moves those schools further away from breaking the grant of rights early.

If it's in GT's interests to keep the ACC together for now, then adding these schools makes sense.

The ACC can do a lot worse.

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I see it as a way to stick it to Clemson, FSU and UNC.

Having two more members voting moves those schools further away from breaking the grant of rights early.

If it's in GT's interests to keep the ACC together for now, then adding these schools makes sense.

The ACC can do a lot worse.

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The funny part is with FSU running its mouth let's look at the total wins by the ACC teams the last 5 years.

Clemson 60
Pitt 41
Wake 38
NC state 36
Miami 33
UNC 32
UVa 31
FSU 29 ( And you feel the need to run your mouth) leaveyour money and don't let the door hit your ass.
 
The funny part is with FSU running its mouth let's look at the total wins by the ACC teams the last 5 years.

Clemson 60
Pitt 41
Wake 38
NC state 36
Miami 33
UNC 32
UVa 31
FSU 29 ( And you feel the need to run your mouth) leaveyour money and don't let the door hit your ass.

GT 21

One third of those wins (7) in CPJ's last season, before Tech fans ran him out of town to slobber all over Clown's knob for a total of 10 wins the next 3 1/3 seasons . . . before he was booted and Key came in for a respectable four wins in eight games.

Anyway . . . for you sidewalk fans, 21 wins is 8 less than F$U's 29. So maybe Tech fans should stop running our mouths about F$U fans running their mouths.
 
GT 21

One third of those wins (7) in CPJ's last season, before Tech fans ran him out of town to slobber all over Clown's knob for a total of 10 wins the next 3 1/3 seasons . . . before he was booted and Key came in for a respectable four wins in eight games.

Anyway . . . for you sidewalk fans, 21 wins is 8 less than F$U's 29. So maybe Tech fans should stop running our mouths about F$U fans running their mouths.
 
If Stanford is ready to dump half of their endowment into the the ACC and their girls go down on my endowment. I’m game.
 
GT 21

One third of those wins (7) in CPJ's last season, before Tech fans ran him out of town to slobber all over Clown's knob for a total of 10 wins the next 3 1/3 seasons . . . before he was booted and Key came in for a respectable four wins in eight games.

Anyway . . . for you sidewalk fans, 21 wins is 8 less than F$U's 29. So maybe Tech fans should stop running our mouths about F$U fans running their mouths.
We have a new coach now and öööö you. I will tell FSU fans to öööö the hell off whenever I feel like it.
 
What I wonder is if FSU, Clemson & UNC are deliberately and secretly colluding in attempt to collapse the ACC so they have free passes to go chase the money they so desperately want. Why are the three schools that openly want more money, three of the four schools voting against bringing on Stanford, CAL and SMU... something that could increase revenue in the short term if those schools are willing to join at a reduced revenue share? Personally, I would love to see FSU buy its way out of the ACC then be snubbed by the SEC and the B1G. Mountain West is looking to expand! :)
 
I’ve went from being very-anti expansion to more lukewarm on it. Stanford I think is a fine take. They’re not Texas or USC, and quite frankly I believe they’re not in the Big12 likely because of snobbery, which I can respect even if it’s a dangerous move. They’ve shown over time though they can solidly recruit and compete at high levels here and there.

Cal is a harder sell given the state of the program. But it’s a flagship state institution in the most populated state in the country. The ACC would be buying low, but the potential is there if this can be a wake-up call to them to start putting more emphasis on athletics.

So two programs with a lot of upside with the right investment, which is not a bad way to go about expansion for longer term. I like the fit better than Louisville, who we bought at what might have been their ceiling.

SMU is the wildcard. Texas is a heavily populated state with a football culture, but nothing about SMU lately is showing signs of life of improving on this front. But maybe P5 status would help them compete via the NIL with the big boys and turn things around. Being the lone Texas program in the ACC could drum up local interest and maybe help build out their program longterm with the right investments and luck. Theyre so different from a program like Cal, but I feel like they might have some potential.

Who knows what happens 10-15 years down the road, but it could help establish the ACC in that part of the country for a future raid on the better programs in the Big12 long term, opening the doors when GORs start running down. The ACC definitely wants to position itself as the #3 conference longterm, aligning with academic schools will help solidify that I think, and could pull the better Big12 programs if desired down the road.
 
I’ve went from being very-anti expansion to more lukewarm on it. Stanford I think is a fine take. They’re not Texas or USC, and quite frankly I believe they’re not in the Big12 likely because of snobbery, which I can respect even if it’s a dangerous move. They’ve shown over time though they can solidly recruit and compete at high levels here and there.

Cal is a harder sell given the state of the program. But it’s a flagship state institution in the most populated state in the country. The ACC would be buying low, but the potential is there if this can be a wake-up call to them to start putting more emphasis on athletics.

So two programs with a lot of upside with the right investment, which is not a bad way to go about expansion for longer term. I like the fit better than Louisville, who we bought at what might have been their ceiling.

SMU is the wildcard. Texas is a heavily populated state with a football culture, but nothing about SMU lately is showing signs of life of improving on this front. But maybe P5 status would help them compete via the NIL with the big boys and turn things around. Being the lone Texas program in the ACC could drum up local interest and maybe help build out their program longterm with the right investments and luck. Theyre so different from a program like Cal, but I feel like they might have some potential.

Who knows what happens 10-15 years down the road, but it could help establish the ACC in that part of the country for a future raid on the better programs in the Big12 long term, opening the doors when GORs start running down. The ACC definitely wants to position itself as the #3 conference longterm, aligning with academic schools will help solidify that I think, and could pull the better Big12 programs if desired down the road.

Positioning your business to be #3 in your market is typically not a recipe for success.
 
Positioning your business to be #3 in your market is typically not a recipe for success.
Not sure about Cal boosters, but...

Stanford = billionaires
SMU = not wealthy like Stanford, but wealthy alums. 50k grads in Dallas area.

SMU got ööööed over by the NCAA in the 80's while schools like UGAg flaunted cheating and rule breaking.
 
Positioning your business to be #3 in your market is typically not a recipe for success.
Well unless another major media distributor enters the market, there's no chance of surpassing the B1G or SEC at this point, and we can't afford to get passed by the Big12.

The hailmary in this longterm is if college basketball can go through a huge growth spurt like college football has done over the last 20-30 years years. The ACC would be well situated for that, but short of that I'm not sure of what else could be done to close the gap at this point, unless we start demoting teams to everything-but-football schools like ND.
 
Taking these three teams probably means fewer nooners. Also could mean more 10pm est (7pm pt) starts.
 
Not sure about Cal boosters, but...

Stanford = billionaires
SMU = not wealthy like Stanford, but wealthy alums. 50k grads in Dallas area.

SMU got ööööed over by the NCAA in the 80's while schools like UGAg flaunted cheating and rule breaking.
SMU has really cool helmets
 
I hate the way conferences add without an end goal in site. So we just throw SMU, Stanford and Cal into the ACC. We get a little more money to distribute and we have three new snouts at the trough.

Why not have an end game in sight? Petition the NCAA for large conferences to have four game playoffs. We are at 17 football schools. Add three more. I suggest Washington State, Oregon State and Tulane. Create four divisions of five:
WSU, OSU, Stanford, Cal, SMU
Tulane, GT, Louisville, FSU, Miami
Clemson, Duke, UNC, Wake, NCSU,
UVA, VT, Syracuse, BC, Pitt
Play each team in your division plus two from each other division, giving you ten conference games. This is attractive to TV and streaming partners - improved inventory. The four division champs play a two week playoff at the end of the year, generating more interest and revenue. Notre Dame can still play their six games with the ACC each year. You have fewer non-conference games to schedule.
 
Related to my post above, this could work for other sports. Play home and home games and series in your division. Add the number you choose of games with teams outside your division. Send the number you choose from each division for playoffs or tournaments to determine a conference champion.

Basketball could end its regular season one week earlier. Send the four division regular season winners to the quarterfinals of the ACC tournament. On the first weekend have the remaining four teams in each division play a tournament at the second place team’s gym. Winner of those tournaments head to the eight team tourney weekend two. Again, more inventory, more revenue, and perhaps, greater interest.
 
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