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33jacket said:
So u just scrap your system? At some point u have to teach it and transition. All we are doing is running a spread zone every other team runs. Its just terribly different on how u read fronts, physically block, what the check keys are for the plays etc. bottom line is there is no hybrid between this and pauls cut block, cut and scoop, drive block system and zone spread.

The system we run is fine. The scheme is sound and very well used all over. We will recruit the guys we need to do it. All our OL are true freshman in this system. So it takes time. Some of our guys like quinney should be ok in it over time.

But i like the staffs call here. Which is completely transition 100 percent day one and take the lumps.

Fyi. Just also, I believe that our zone system while used everywhere in some fashion may be a touch more intricate than some other schools version. I think its way more nfl like than college like. Its going to take a bit more time to learn. But, in the long run that ol system is sound. My evidence for this is collins has said we are tech and smart. We are going to run a system only smart players can handle.
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Well to me this explains why the OL looks like a bunch of Keystone Cops better than the argument that our roster is full of FCS level talent. If what you are saying is true (and I am not insinuating it is not) then there is hope of the OL looking more prepared and cohesive later in the season. If it can come together enough by November to squeak out a win against VaTech that would be a huge momentum builder for the team and fans alike going into the off season.
 
Walton said:
Question: would fans have rathered Collins have been negative toward the roster and more upfront about the offensive roster in particular?

* I know many fans that would have hated it and would have complained about it

* I wouldn't have wanted him to dwell on it but I do think he could have said something early on that we didn't really have a QB or OL that fit our system. That we would do what we could coaching wise but it might take a couple of recruiting years to get the roster correct.

* I believe that is obviously true and think it might have been best to say it upfront, move one, and then do the best we can. Might have prepared the fans more for what is happening.

* College coaches do have an impossible job where they have to always be recruiting and motivating players and all comments have an effect on that. Fans want to hear one thing but it might not be best for the program. Only coaches like Saban can be honest and even they tend to still say stuff that cater to recruiting. I remember when Saban hated being asked about Hurts because he didn't want to say the words "Tua is better"
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Collins is doing exactly what he must do. He could coach better on game days (although his expertise is more on the defensive side which looks really solid)....but he pretty well is ACE-ing all of the other stuff. His messaging is always consistent and speaks to the end goals for the program over short-term results. He is trying to indicate to Tech fans that this transition will take time and will be worth it, without throwing any of the current roster under the bus.

For you business people, I feel like we're a start up company right now... We're in the phase where we show negative profits, but are building a solid foundation from which to grow the business. Wall Street types demand profitability quarter-to-quarter...but forcing that actually is counter-productive to the potential of the end product. Support the business, and show patience/restraint this season. This could be an Amazon.com CGC is building... it could be a Pets.com. Only time will tell...
 
JoeCakeEater said:
At this point is there really value in running Tobias more and going 5-7 rather than 3-9 or whatever (those are probably both generous)? All that will do is slow the transition, delaying our eventual acclimation to the new style of play. If we did that before game 3 and were sitting at 3-1 right now then I may feel differently. As it stands, I think prepping our program for the future (with maybe some fun results sprinkled into 2019) is the best path forward.
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agreed. Stick him in some wildcat position or slot WR or whatever but I think we should just roll with JG from here on out.
 
JoeCakeEater said:
At this point is there really value in running Tobias more and going 5-7 rather than 3-9 or whatever (those are probably both generous)? All that will do is slow the transition, delaying our eventual acclimation to the new style of play. If we did that before game 3 and were sitting at 3-1 right now then I may feel differently. As it stands, I think prepping our program for the future (with maybe some fun results sprinkled into 2019) is the best path forward.
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Yeah I am not sure there would be more than a game or so difference in W-L with Oliver vs Graham. The offense definitely looks more like what we eventually want to get to with Graham in there. Roll with him and let him make mistakes and learn. He is the only one of the 3 I see competing for the job next year, anyway.
 
33jacket said:
graham has physical tools and talent neither of the other two do, yeah....give him alot of PT and see what happens.
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Watched the game Saturday and really came away liking what I saw from Graham and his potential. The stats don't necessarily show that he was any more effective than Oliver necessarily, but just the old "eye test". I wonder if his injury ahead of the Citadel game likely put the initial plan a game behind schedule. For Clemson, we saw a lot of Oliver. USF a lot of Johnson. I wonder if they intended to get Graham more reps in the Citadel game to see what he could do. No idea at, but I'd be curious.

If the OL techniques are that different, then I think Collins & Co have the right attitude. No reason to muddy the waters moving forward and go ahead and get a good base with your system. Only real complaint from me so far is the lack of choosing a starter at QB and doing this platoon thing. Don't think it will work long term, but we are only 4 games in. Perhaps they have been evaluating and will settle soon.
 
Is there someone on this board that can break down these new schemes on film like what Longest Day did during the previous years?
 
33jacket said:
Basically sean, having come from the cpj system was blown away with how detailed and complex our nfl based system was. It was details and level of scheme he had no idea about.

Bottom line, its part what I figured, we are all true freshman on O right now. Heads swimming combined with injuries and kids not built for this system. As an example. In the last 4-5 years iirc cpj recruited essentially all G projected outside of high school except i think either quinney or that other taller recruit jump. And both I believe were lightly recruited. Point being the type of guys we need are not here physically. Combine that with what bedford was blown away with.

U know. Sean. Its ok even with u doing color to post here. Ok. Wes durham used to do it alot. We would debate with him. On this site. So @EffortWarrior79 might be a good time to be an alumni and fan too not just the color guy
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I want to be comforted by this. I really do. But:

https://247sports.com/college/texas...hompson-Juwan-Mitchell-136357452/#136357452_6

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Offensive lineman Parker Braun

Games: LA Tech, LSU, Rice, Oklahoma State

After he made the move from Georgia Tech to Texas as a grad transfer, there were thoughts that Parker Braun may decide to redshirt his first season with the Longhorns in an effort to help him learn the new pro-spread style of offense. That idea is almost certainly in the past considering Braun has started all four games at left guard and has been instrumental in the offense’s success alongside the rest of the offensive linemen.
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CGC has a tough task destroying the IIWII culture around here. He’s well on his way.

The future is bright :ohyeah:

Too bad we couldn’t have got new journalist and writers along with the new staff to ask the questions
 
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LongforDodd said:
Is there someone on this board that can break down these new schemes on film like what Longest Day did during the previous years?
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Flywheel said:
I want to be comforted by this. I really do. But:

https://247sports.com/college/texas...hompson-Juwan-Mitchell-136357452/#136357452_6
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Not comparable at all. Its a reach. One G plugging into a mature system with a borderline heisman qb. Please. I guess shaq mason starting for the patriots early on destroys it too right? Despite both those hc saying they have to learn a ton fast. However when both guys next to you dont have to learn, can make the calls quick and help u it makes a ton of difference. A luxury we dont have

And not to nitpick. But the ol scheme texas runs isnt quite the same either; when i watch it seems to be a more basic zone scheme.
 
I am asking out of ignorance (and don't have an axe to grind) but, is our blocking scheme totally different than Bama runs? Is CBK having to learn the blocking scheme as we go? Just curious.
 
oldgold68 said:
I am asking out of ignorance (and don't have an axe to grind) but, is our blocking scheme totally different than Bama runs? Is CBK having to learn the blocking scheme as we go? Just curious.
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I haven’t been paying much attention to line play this year as I mostly lament during game time but I’m not sure what CBK would have to learn here that he doesn’t already know. Bama, like most teams, uses a combination of man and zone blocking depending on the need for the play. A lot of it is eliminating talent from a play and getting a numbers advantage on one side of the ball. An effective RPO game relies on zone blocking.
 
oldgold68 said:
I am asking out of ignorance (and don't have an axe to grind) but, is our blocking scheme totally different than Bama runs? Is CBK having to learn the blocking scheme as we go? Just curious.
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It isn't the scheme that is different; it isn't the technique that is different. I'll let you guess what is different about the makeup of the OL at Bama and the OL at GT but only one guess.
 
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