Can someone please clear this up

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GoJackets89

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I got to talking to a UGAy fan last night, with him saying some of the same things we always hear about, like not really being rivals, we only run one play, and other bs like that. Anyway, we got on the subject of NCs won by each team and I of course said we had more than them. It was always my belief that UGAy only had one NC, and this joker said they had three. I've always heard different numbers from different UGAy fans, ranging from 2 to 5. What is the deal with this?
 
Maybe he was including the pre-season NC's. :laugher:
GoJackets89 said:
I got to talking to a UGAy fan last night, with him saying some of the same things we always hear about, like not really being rivals, we only run one play, and other bs like that. Anyway, we got on the subject of NCs won by each team and I of course said we had more than them. It was always my belief that UGAy only had one NC, and this joker said they had three. I've always heard different numbers from different UGAy fans, ranging from 2 to 5. What is the deal with this?
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Funny enough my memory says they only have two whereas we have 4.
 
They have NCAA recognized NCs in 1980 and 1942. They were ranked 1st in 'secondary' final polls in 1927, 1946, and 1948. So, officially, they've won 2. If a UGA fan claims 5, thats were they come from. Its sort of like the 17 or 12 championships for Alabama.
 
your friend is an imbecile. GT has Four RECOGNIZED national championships. That means some major poll or publication that was recognized by the media deemed us #1 in the nation.

Without a true playoff system, the national championship is often refered to as "The mythical national championship" because it is something that is voted on by media outlets. In 1917, 1928, 1952, and 1990 one of the major recognized media outlets deemed us national champions.

Georgia's media program claims they've been #1 7 times and have claim more than two national championships. UGA only has two. 1942 which they got a piece of the title because a major media outlet gave them a piece, and 1980 where they have an outright title.

That's it. Every other year UGA claims a title, it was because some non-recognized publication (like the yester year equivalent to Rivals or Scout) ranked them #1. That's about as legitimate as a three dollar bill.
 
GTLiebs said:
Funny enough my memory says they only have two whereas we have 4.
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see, I didn't even think they had two. The only other one I thought they were close to was I think in the 40s, but Ohio State beat them to it, or something like that.
 
Oh, and thanks for the info, I thought it might be something like that
 
There are several threads here on Stingtalk that list out all of the claimed NC's for both GT and UGA. I'm too lazy right now to search for them, but they're good and detailed so it would be worth your while for this argument with your friend.
 
GTWannaBee said:
There are several threads here on Stingtalk that list out all of the claimed NC's for both GT and UGA. I'm too lazy right now to search for them, but they're good and detailed so it would be worth your while for this argument with your friend.
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Just found the post and saved it for future reference.
 
With regards to 1942.

The mutts claim that the 43 and 44 seasons don't count because they were during WWII and everyone handed them their hats that year.

1942 was during WWII. So if the mutts don't count the losses from the next two years, why are they entitled to assert a very threadbare claim to a national championship?


As far as us being rivals, we've beaten them more times in the past 20 years than they've beaten Florida. If we beat them three in a row again, you'll see what the rivalry means when Richt's head is served up on a platter (no matter how good he is in other respects as a coach).
 
TechSBP said:
With regards to 1942.

The mutts claim that the 43 and 44 seasons don't count because they were during WWII and everyone handed them their hats that year.

1942 was during WWII. So if the mutts don't count the losses from the next two years, why are they entitled to assert a very threadbare claim to a national championship?


As far as us being rivals, we've beaten them more times in the past 20 years than they've beaten Florida. If we beat them three in a row again, you'll see what the rivalry means when Richt's head is served up on a platter (no matter how good he is in other respects as a coach).
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By no means am I an expert, but I am pretty sure that 1942 was when they had Trippi and Sinkwich so they were pretty legit. As far as Tech is concerned, 1952 we had 6 (count em) All Americans and probably the best defense in the history of the Institute. In 1990, we probably were not the best team at the beginning of the year but by the end of the year there was no doubt. That team was just full of good football players.
 
TechSBP said:
With regards to 1942.

The mutts claim that the 43 and 44 seasons don't count because they were during WWII and everyone handed them their hats that year.

1942 was during WWII. So if the mutts don't count the losses from the next two years, why are they entitled to assert a very threadbare claim to a national championship?


As far as us being rivals, we've beaten them more times in the past 20 years than they've beaten Florida. If we beat them three in a row again, you'll see what the rivalry means when Richt's head is served up on a platter (no matter how good he is in other respects as a coach).
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Let's see:

Spring of 1942: Fall of Bataan and the Bataan Death March, Jimmy Doolittle's raid, and the German U-Boat offensive of the coast of the USA.

Summer of 1942: The Battle of Midway, known as the turning point of the war in the Pacific, and the first US air attacks begin in Europe.

Fall of 1942: The Battle of Guadalcanal raged for 6 months, and Operation Torch, the US invasion of N Africa commences.

Yes, once again the hypocrisy by UGAG refusing to count our games in 1943 and 1944 due to the war is exposed. They had a darn good team in 1942, and deserve that MNC. That fall was honored with talents of Sinkwich, Trippi and Castleberry. They all went (at least Trippi and Castleberry did) off to war... only Trippi came back to play again.

The lack of honor of that cow college to the east knows no bounds, IMO.
 
stinger78 said:
Let's see:

Spring of 1942: Fall of Bataan and the Bataan Death March, Jimmy Doolittle's raid, and the German U-Boat offensive of the coast of the USA.

Summer of 1942: The Battle of Midway, known as the turning point of the war in the Pacific, and the first US air attacks begin in Europe.

Fall of 1942: The Battle of Guadalcanal raged for 6 months, and Operation Torch, the US invasion of N Africa commences.

Yes, once again the hypocrisy by UGAG refusing to count our games in 1943 and 1944 due to the war is exposed. They had a darn good team in 1942, and deserve that MNC. That fall was honored with talents of Sinkwich, Trippi and Castleberry. They all went (at least Trippi and Castleberry did) off to war... only Trippi came back to play again.

The lack of honor of that cow college to the east knows no bounds, IMO.
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wow, how convenient for them.
 
TechSBP said:
...The mutts claim that the 43 and 44 seasons don't count because they were during WWII and everyone handed them their hats that year...
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With regards to UGA's '43 & '44 seasons, they went 6-4 and 7-3 --and you can bet that those 13 victories are counted in their all-time wins total. I've really never heard anything as lame as UGA not counting losses against GT in these two years --what a bunch of pusscatores.

I tend to not count losses to UGA in '80, '81 & '82. I call it the 'Herschel(s) factor' --six guys cannot share one scholarship.
 
Someone posted this a while back...


Good stuff


1952: Georgia Tech and Michigan State finished as the only two unbeaten and untied teams during the regular season.

Georgia Tech defeated 8-0-2 Mississippi in the Sugar Bowl, 24-7.

Michigan State, having joined the Big Ten in 1950, was not eligible to participate in a bowl game until 1953 (Big Ten mandated).

The combined record of GT opponents: 62-52-8 .541
The combined record of Mich St opponents: 40-39-5 .506

Four of GT opponents finished in the final Top 20 poll
Three of Mich St opponents finished in the top 20 poll

The final poll was released before the bowl games were played.

National title facts

[FONT=&quot]Several points here: [/FONT]
  1. [FONT=&quot]The NCAA recognizes no National Champion in I-A football. PERIOD. They list some things on their website just for fun. So they are all Mythical National Championships (MNC). [/FONT]
  2. [FONT=&quot]Most of the things you see listed on the NCAA website or elsewhere are computer ratings or other systematic formulas, NOT polls. Most of them do not actually award championships and most of them were not contemporaneous. [/FONT]
  3. [FONT=&quot]The first contemporaneous "national champion" as far as I have been able to determine was the Dickinson System, a statistics-based formula devised by a U of Illinois professor, who awarded national championships from 1926-1940. This is not a widely accepted MNC. [/FONT]
  4. [FONT=&quot]Prior to about 1936, there were no real national champions. 2 things happened in 1936: The AP Poll started ranking teams and handing out a trophy, and the Helms Athletic Foundation started a panel of experts to select the national champion. [/FONT]
  5. [FONT=&quot]Helms also went back and retroactively examined previous football seasons to 1901 and named national champs for those years as well. Since then, others have retroactively named champions as well, such as the National Championship Foundation and Billingsley (a power rating formula). None of these were contemporaneous! [/FONT]
  6. [FONT=&quot]Prior to 1936, there was something kind of like the BCS, called the Rose Bowl. The idea of the Rose Bowl was to pit the best team from the East against the best team from the West. The winner was not called the national champion, but it's hard for me to argue against the MNC for a team that won the Rose Bowl and had the best record. [/FONT]
  7. [FONT=&quot]The AP poll and the Coaches' poll are the two universally recognized sources for national champions. The coaches poll started in 1950 as the United Press (UP) poll. Another news organization called International News Service (INS) did a poll of writers and coaches from 1952-1957, but this was merged with the UP poll when UP and INS merged to form United Press International (UPI) in 1958. Yet another poll started in this era is the FWAA (Football Writer's Association of America) beginning in 1954. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now given this background info, we can look at GT and UGA's MNCs:

1990
Colorado: AP, Berryman, DeVold, FACT*, FB News, Football Research, FW, Matthews, National Championship Foundation*, NFF, Sporting News, USA/CNN
Georgia Tech: Dunkel, FACT*, National Championship Foundation*, UPI
Miami (Fla.): Billingsley, Eck, FACT*, NY Times, Sagarin
Washington: FACT*

GT won the coaches poll, LEGIT.

1980
Florida St.: FACT*
Georgia: AP, Berryman, FACT*, FB News, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, Sporting News, UPI
Nebraska: FACT*, Sagarin
Oklahoma: Billingsley, Dunkel, Matthews
Pittsburgh: DeVold, FACT*, Football Research, NY Times

Georgia won the AP and coaches' polls, LEGIT.

1968
Georgia: Litkenhous
Ohio St.: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, Dunkel, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, UPI
Texas: DeVold, Matthews, Sagarin

Georgia won a rinky-dink rating system with an 8-1-2 record, Ohio State was 10-0 and won both polls, BOGUS.

1956
Georgia Tech: Berryman
Iowa: Football Research
Oklahoma: AP, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, FW, Helms, INS, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Sagarin, UPI, Williamson
Tennessee: Sagarin

Georgia Tech won a rinky-dink rating system with a 10-1 record, Oklahoma was 10-0 and won both polls, BOGUS.

1952
Georgia Tech: Berryman, INS, Poling
Michigan St.: AP, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Sagarin, UPI, Williamson

Georgia Tech was 12-0 and won a recognized media poll (INS), Michigan State 9-0 and won the other polls, LEGIT.

1951
Georgia Tech: Berryman, Boand*
Illinois: Boand*
Maryland: DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, National Championship Foundation, Sagarin
Michigan St.: Billingsley, Helms, Poling
Tennessee: AP, Litkenhous, UPI, Williamson

Georgia Tech finished 11-0-1, won a couple of rating systems. Tennessee won the polls (which were pre-bowl at that time) but lost to 10-0 Maryland in the Orange Bowl. BOGUS, although from a retrospective point of view, better claim than Tennessee.

1946
Army: Boand*, Football Research, Helms*, Houlgate, Poling*
Georgia: Williamson
Notre Dame: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, Boand*, DeVold, Dunkel, Helms*, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, Poling*, Sagarin

Army had not lost a game in 3 years and Notre Dame fought them to a 0-0 tie, both teams finished unbeaten with a tie and between them shared MNC honors. Georgia finished 11-0 and won a rinky-dink rating system. BOGUS.

1942
Georgia: Berryman, DeVold, Houlgate, Litkenhous, Poling, Williamson
Ohio St.: AP, Billingsley, Boand, Dunkel, Football Research, National Championship Foundation
Wisconsin: Helms

Georgia finished 11-1 and beat UCLA in the Rose Bowl. Ohio State finished 9-1. Georgia's loss was 27-13 to a mediocre 6-4-1 Auburn team, while Ohio State lost to a strong 8-1-1 Wisconsin team picked as national champs by one source. Still, Rose Bowl win = LEGIT.

1928
Detroit: Parke Davis*
Georgia Tech: Billingsley, Boand, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis*, Poling
Southern California: Dickinson

Georgia Tech was 10-0 and beat California in the Rose Bowl. USC tied California and finished 9-0-1. LEGIT.

1927
Georgia: Boand, Poling
Illinois: Billingsley, Dickinson, Helms, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis
Notre Dame: Houlgate
Yale: Football Research

Georgia finished 9-1 and won a couple of rating systems, lost the last game of the season 12-0 to 8-1-1 Georgia Tech. Illinois finished 7-0-1 with a tie against mediocre 4-3-1 Iowa State. BOGUS.

1917
Georgia Tech: Billingsley, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation

GT finished 9-0, outscored opposition 491-17, and had not lost a game in 3 years. LEGIT.

So there you have it: 4 LEGIT MNCs for GT and 2 LEGIT MNCs for UGAg.

You could argue more or less for either team, but those are recognized by the historical consensus.[/FONT]
 
'51 is very disappointing. We should have been Co-champions with Maryland. To bad they voted before the Bowls.
 
I think UGA has the only MNC where they didn't have to play the other top 3 teams in their own conference.
 
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