Can't believe what I am hearing from some of you people...

mississippi_jacket

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Can\'t believe what I am hearing from some of you people...

First of all this game was the best coached game of the season. Those of you who think BOB called a bad game just have it out for him. Every single pass play that was call the first or second option was wide open. The option looks (they were not really options because AJ was not going to run it) and running on the edges were ingenius. Nobody has tried to run on the outside against FSU all season because everyone knows FSU has a ton of speed. The coaches must have seen how undiscipline they were because they were doing it from the get go. The reason they went deep on fades and fly patterns so much is because everybody has been able to do it against them and the coaches were again right about that. We just could not execute the plays (a few uncalled pass interferences didn't help either). The game plan was great on both sides of the ball. The D did really good only holding to 2 offensive TDs. The only criticism I had was not running the ball a little more, but they were throwing deep to keep the corners and safeties back to run at the corners. This is a direct result of a great game plan. All of you guys that are blaming BOB either don't know anything about game planning or just have it out for him. I am sick of the excuses that AJ's strengths are not throwing deep and the OC should know that. That is BS. If AJ can't throw deep he should not be in there period. AJ has had one decent game (NCSU) and one average game (UVA), the rest have been bad to horrible. Some of you so blindly support him it is almost laughable. I feel for him too and hope he does well, but what I have seen from him in games, in the spring, and in every practice since the spring of last year when he transferred has not been impressive. His best performance I have seen (practice or game) was the spring game and that was not that great. What are AJ's strengths- reading, making decisions, and accuracy(sp). So far he has made bad decisions (all the ints (especially FSU and the end of every game), doesn't make good reads (FSU int for TD), and even on his completed passes the pass is late or not in the right place (third or fourth and long late in the FSU game and Will Glover ran a deep comeback and was open but had to come back to catch the ball and didn't get the first down). I can tell you specific accounts like these in every single game (for instance the int late in the game against NCSU when he should have never thrown the ball). I know how tought it is to play the position because I have played it before, but you will never be a good team if you are getting this kind of play from your QB. Look at Clemson and their QB situation. Willie knew the O very well, but couldn't get it done and now Whitehurst is doing great for them. I don't want these replies that "you are hurting the program" or "he is just a kid". When I played bad I knew it and expected criticism and welcomed it. I am just trying to make the point that some of you blindly support some people and blindly criticize people where it is not warranted. Ever single game BOB has called has been good (except for the Clemson game, passing in the rain to begin the game?), but just not executed properly. Not all of that is AJ's fault, sometimes recievers dropped ball, running backs missed holes, or whatever. But one thing that has been consistant is the QB play have been average a best and absolutly dreadfull at worst.

Please put the criticism and praise where it's due. Thank you!
 
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great post and I agree completely!
 
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DING DING DING!

We have a winner. It took someone as far away as Mississippi to tell everyone what is going on!

Problem is BOB will probably gone and we will be stuck for sure with this QB situation next year!
 
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MissippiJacket, it is true that FSU is soft on the long pass but our QB does not throw the long ball with any accuracy and he also doesn't have any mustard on the ball. He opened the game with three long ones and all were poorly thrown although Bridges almost caught one of them. AJ is moderately proficient with the short stuff and the option was working but we got away from that
as well. When we get inside the ten yard line we totally abandon the run. Just think about these stats-in the last four games we have kicked nine field goals and only six TD's. You can't beat a good team if you can't score some touchdowns along the way. Against Maryland we had first down and goal on their two yard line twice and had to settle for two field goals. DeBo led us to our only touchdown against Maryland and haven't seen the field since. That is weird.
 
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Right on...someone posted we are averaging 18.7 points in the ACC...that is pathetic and it won't win many games either. Face facts....our oppnenets know we are "challenged" offensively and a talented team like FSU can choke off the few things Suggs can execute. DeBo may not be ready and if not it has been one sorry coaching job if he cannot execute 8-10 plays. And BTW...Wake beat us executing what looked like about 6 plays.
 
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Agree with you except for one thing. A good game plan must be tailored to what your team/players are capable of doing. At this point in the season, I think everyone knows what our offense does well or what they statistically execute poorly. If you're not executing well, then you need to have the experience and flexibility to adjust your game plan for what's working well on any given game day. Does this make some sense?
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It makes very good sense C5Bee.
 
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Originally posted by C5Bee:
Agree with you except for one thing. A good game plan must be tailored to what your team/players are capable of doing. At this point in the season, I think everyone knows what our offense does well or what they statistically execute poorly. If you're not executing well, then you need to have the experience and flexibility to adjust your game plan for what's working well on any given game day. Does this make some sense?
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Yes it makes sense, but I don't think you are reading all of my post. There was a reason we HAD TO RUN THE FLY AND FADE ROUTES. We also had to throw to them to keep the CB's honest. This helped us exploit the edges of the FSU defense with Gordon and the option look. When the CB has deep third or man which they were playing, the only way to make him turn his back to the play is to run straight down the field. The only way we were going to be able to gain the yard we did was to take the corner out of the play and make the linebackers persue to the sidelines and when the over persued we would cut under them and it would lead to a big gain(8-20 yards). We had to throw those fades or they would just back petal and still be facing the play and come up when they saw a run and the linebackers would not have to persue to the sidelines and we would have had about 30 yards rushing the whole game. When you get to this level of football there is a rhyme and reason for everything. The reasons for going deep so much were about 3 or 4 folds.
1. Because FSU is so aggressive that they are vulnerable to the deep sideline pass. Deep passes over the middle are not going to work because they play alot of 2 deep (except for seem routes by the TE).
2. When they have to honor the deep sideline passes it opens up the running on the edges which takes advantage of their aggressiveness.
3. It opens up the comeback and curls (Glover caught one that was almost a first down on I think 4th down that should have been a 1st if it was thrown on time and to the right place).

There are more purposes, but I think you get the drift. Our game plan was a good game plan. And AJ is no better a throwing the short and intermediate passes than he is throwing the longer ones, it's just on the shorter ones there is usually more room for error.

I am not trying to bite your head off, but BOB is a very good coach and I think people are not giving him a fare shake. I was at a spring practice and I started talking to a very atheletic looking man. He turned out to be a running back coach at Kent State (I think). He had come to see how BOB coached. He said he met him through Coach Freidgen. He proceeded to tell me how great of a coach and man BOB was and that we were lucky to have him. I had been thinking this for a long time anyways. If you have been to many practices you always hear BOB. He knows everything. If you listen to what he is telling the players you will realize he know a lot about offenses and opposing defenses. He is a very smart man. All he can do is draw the plays up tell the QB what to read and where to throw it when they read it. If they cannot make the read or make the throw it is the QB's fault. Granted I did not think it was verys smart to open a game up throwing the ball all the time when it is a hurricane (Clemson), but Coach O'Brien is a very smart and good coach.
 
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Originally posted by mississippi_jacket:
...Coach O'Brien is a very smart and good coach.
<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Coach O'Brien is a very smart and good coach as not only you pointed out, but Coach Friedgen has pointed out many, many times.

But Coach O'Brien is Chan Gailey's designated scapegoat. He will be gone after this season to bring in another of Gailey's flunkies and buy Gailey more time until the FOCers run completely out of excuses for him.
 
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Originally posted by beeware:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Originally posted by mississippi_jacket:
...Coach O'Brien is a very smart and good coach.
<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Coach O'Brien is a very smart and good coach as not only you pointed out, but Coach Friedgen has pointed out many, many times.

But Coach O'Brien is Chan Gailey's designated scapegoat. He will be gone after this season to bring in another of Gailey's flunkies and buy Gailey more time until the FOCers run completely out of excuses for him.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Same song fiftieth vs. Chan never does anything right BoB never does anything wrong.
 
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I dont want B'OB because I believe the HC should bring in his own assistants.

Braine was wrong to force B'OB on CG. I wish Billy the best and hope he gets a good opportunity elsewhere.

The offensive successes we have seen this year AINT COMING FROM BILLY.

Because I have watched fridge for 10 years and he does not run this type of offense. We didnt do it with Hamilton and we didnt do it with Goose.
 
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Originally posted by law_bee:
The offensive successes we have seen this year AINT COMING FROM BILLY.

Because I have watched fridge for 10 years and he does not run this type of offense. We didnt do it with Hamilton and we didnt do it with Goose.
<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">It would be more accurate to say that the LACK OF offensive successes we have seen this year AIN'T COMING FROM BILLY.
 
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Great post MississippiJacket...I agree 110%. I only wish I could articulate as good as you do.
We aren't going to beat ugag with Suggs at the helm. I hope I am dead wrong, but I don't see it. He just makes bad decisions at the worst of times. I wish him well but I honestly feel that the QB position is our weakest link. I know about all of the injuries too.
Now does anybody really feel that Bilbo can't/won't/whatever/ learn the playbook? I find that mindboggling. He is in his second year and still can;t handle the playbook??? Is it written in greek? I mean this kid was the number on quarterback in the state of Mississippi as a senior. He has to have some ability to grasp it. I know his high school playbook isn't as complex as Tech's, but I just can't imagine.
I think B'OB is doing as good a job as what he has to work with and I support him.
 
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FatJacket, I think we take this "learn the playbook" thing too literally. I would be shocked if Bilbo doesn't know the basic plays. But at this level every play can be run a number of ways depending on how the defense lines up and reacts. My guess is that Bilbo's problem right now is understanding how to adjust the play to the defense and understand what the rest of the team will be doing as they make the reads.

It takes time to learn how to do this effectively, especially as the offense becomes more complex. By complex I mean the more flexibility is built into the plays, but the number of formations, etc. also plays into it. Right now AJ gives us a better chance to win because does a better job at making the reads. Not that he always does, but he is evidently ahead of Bilbo.
 
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Thanks NC. That makes a helluva lot more sense that the kid doesn't know the playbook spill. I can see where it would be difficult for him to read defenses and audibilize. I;m not totally down on AJ. I think this years problems have been magnified by the fact that we have been racked by injuries. If we had all or most of the guys in tact, we wouldn't be having a lot of these discussions. But I will tell you something. I heard from a big time allumni insider (blah-blah) firsthand that DB couldn't learn the playbook. I just don't believe it. He is a smart and bright kid who will hopefully come into his own during spring and be ready to start next fall.
 
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NCJacket, with all due respect, I still think it is a lame excuse.

It was stated that many of the plays had not been installed for Suggs at the beginning of the season. He was limited in the number of plays he could handle. Plays have been added for him as the season progressed.

Do you think Suggs can learn enough plays to start the season, and Bilbo cannot learn enough plays to get into the games at this time in the year? I think the excuse given is pure hypocrisy by the coaches and extremely lame. Surely Bilbo, by this time, has learned as many plays as Suggs knew by the Clemson game.

It is a slam on Bilbo to say he cannot learn the plays. My opinion is that it is totally false and is being used as the excuse for not playing him when there is probably another reason. The other reason may be valid, but, Personally, this one smells.

Learning the plays, system, and when to use each is all integrated. I say Bilbo is, at the least, as far along as Suggs was going into the Clemson game.

Not a slam against you, but agaist the reason given by the coaches.

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ahsoisee, you could be right but my question is why we would keep hearing from coaches and, supposedly players, that he isn't ready? This kind of goes back to something from an earlier post. That is, I believe that if there was more too it, it would leak. It's hard to fool players and it's hard to keep 100 mouths shut.

What confuses me somewhat is why many feel there must be another reason? Everyone who is asked says basically the same thing. Bilbo has admitted on occasion supposedly that he isn't ready. Several posters have claimed players told them he isn't ready. What possible motive would the coaches have for not playing a kid who could help us win? There must be something holding him back is the only thing that makes sense to me.

As I've said before I don't think it's about learning the basic plays it's about the whole picture, understanding defenses, making the reads and the right adjustments. It's not unusual for a team to add to their offense as the season goes on, Fridge did it every year.
 
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beepussware is right about one thing. bo'b will be gone, but not because of "us" but because he does not want to be here. Totally serperate from Chan. If we lose to puke u, then I think CB should be gone at end of season, but bpw is to big of an ego to look at the facts on this matter.
 
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Originally posted by beeware:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Originally posted by law_bee:
The offensive successes we have seen this year AINT COMING FROM BILLY.

Because I have watched fridge for 10 years and he does not run this type of offense. We didnt do it with Hamilton and we didnt do it with Goose.
<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">It would be more accurate to say that the LACK OF offensive successes we have seen this year AIN'T COMING FROM BILLY.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Beeware.. BOB HAS NOT done the job... as Coleman would say... PERIOD.

I have no doubt that he will be a fine coach one day... but he has been in over his head since the Peach Bowl... I for one will be glad when we cut the ties completely from the past staff and move on..
 
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The main thing that concerns me about all this DBo talk is that, if I were the kid, I would be looking at transferring, with the coach telling the world I didn't know the playbook and no prospect of playing time for at least another year.

Its hard to believe the young man can stay in school at Tech for 3 semesters now but can't learn enough plays to run the offense...

No trashing anyone here, just worrying out loud...
 
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