Can't believe what I am hearing from some of you people...

Re: Can\'t believe what I am hearing from some of you people...

New poster here, but long time occasional Hive poster and OF Techster from late '50's - early '60's.

Although I think the jury's still out on this coaching staff -including CG - I do feel they have improved over the course of this season.

One thing I wanted to weigh in on is the FSU
offensive game plan. It looked pretty much on target to me, except I do feel we should have tried a few more running plays in the red zone during the first half when we had to settle for field goals.

But criticizing the long passing attempts because they aren't A.J.'s strength seems lame. And although I don't have the personal QB experience that a number of poster here seem to have, I do know that my choice of an unquestioned expert, The Young Lefthander, always - and he did this past Saturday as well - preaches the virtues of stretching the field even when the passes aren't completed. He says it opens up the rest of your offense. It certainly seemed to help our wide running game Saturday.

Pure and simple the three interceptions - lack of execution - cost us the game not the ooaching. If we are as well prepared against Duke and UGA as we have been the last three weeks, we should be able to avoid the upset against Duke and even have a shot at UGA. But we will have to have a better game from the QB position to challenge the Dogs.

If we can fill in the holes left by graduation in the secondary next year and a few of our players return from injuries, we should be in shape to again make a run at the conference championship - but if we have A.J. playing QB with the inconsistency he has shown this year, we won't challenge. It sure would be nice to see Bilbo get a start or at least a number of snaps against Duke...
 
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GTWig, you sound like you are around my age. I once knew a Wiggings who worked with me at Ma Bell. Did you ever work there?

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ahsoisee,

I agree on Bilbo not being brought along like AJ. It still sounds like the coaches are stating excuses that haven't shown out in the game. Bilbo has come into games, scored TDs, moved the ball, limited his mistakes (one stupid INT), thrown the ball downfield well, looked off receivers (was doing this before AJ was), but yet we are led to believe that he was never coming along like AJ. Meanwhile, his gametime experience showed otherwise and the coaches were saying early on that they needed to keep giving him snaps.

In addition, it makes you wonder what happened in the case of Andy Hall who I think knew the offense better than both AJ & Bilbo but wasn't given a shot at the starting job. If these guys were both so green and slow learning our offense then why do you immediately throw your returning backup QB down below them.

These are just some nagging questions that keep me wondering about how we have handled our personnel. I'm sure there maybe legit reasons for each case but I'm not really buying into what has been said in public by the coaches.
 
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GTPilot, we may be so far off base, we could get picked off, but it is still fuzzy enough to merit some questions regarding the issue.

Some of my posts are nothing other than thinking out loud, so to speak. I feel sure it is the same with others. We pose a question or situation sometimes just to see what others think about it. Sometimes we place a bit of data in our brains, roll it around, and it does not seem to fit, so we pose questions about it.

This is one of those situations that just does not seem to fit when rattled around in my brain. Of couse, that may be symptomatic of bigger peoblems with my brain.

 
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I think ahsoisee and Pilot are both on to something and that is something happened when Chan first got here that gave Suggs the starting job. Too many things don't add up. Hall transfers when a new coach is coming in and you would think he has a 33% shot at the job, but he is never given that chance. Gailey makes statements like "Bilbo is too good of an athlete to keep off the field" and we haven't seem him in weeks. BOB gets himself banished to the press box for openly arguing with Gailey on the sideline during the Wake game while trying to return Bilbo to the game after he leads us to a TD. Suggs continues to struggle in crucial two minute situations and seems to make the same mistakes we are fearing Bilbo WOULD make if he was playing. I don't go to practice, so Bilbo may be a complete goof on Rose Bowl field, but I no longer buy he doesn't know the offense stuff. QB play was a major factor in the loss to FSU and I think Bilbo deserves significant time this week.
 
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Not sure why everyone is still so worried about what happend with Hall. To me it's obvious, he realized he wasn't going to be the starter. If you check out his Delaware stats, he's done okay but he hasn't exactly burned it up either. He's only completing about 52% of his passes and seems to be a much more effective runner than thrower. And that's against A-10 competition. Del. hasn't had a great season either.
 
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It's a losing battle, ncjacket, this business of being sensible. However, I salute you for your effort.
 
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I never said that Hall was the answer. All I asked was why it seems he never got the chance to compete for a job that he was more experienced at. What he has done at Delware doesn't mean much because you don't know how their talent compares to ours. In other words, they could want him to run the ball more due to a lack of receivers. I was just posing question about the way I've seen the QB situation play out and asking why.

The bigger question is why we've left Bilbo behind when gametime experience early on showed Bilbo was probably at the very least equal if not slightly better.

As ahsoisee said, we are just putting out questions that we have about our team. We could be completely off base but I enjoy posing questions to fellow fans for discussion. If we all agreed it would be a real boring world.
 
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AJ is an average college QB.He can do some things well and others poorly.The only real gripe I have with BOB is not the gameplan but that ultimately he is responsible for getting SOMEBODY prepared to carry out the gameplan AND WIN the game.HE prepared AJ and this is what we have.18.7 pts per game is not going to win many games.
Just like the option is a new wrinkle then why not Bilbo as a new wrinkle?
A comment on the many fly paterns-I played WR and DB - once you get the DB retreating in stride ,the WR can stop and come back quicker than the DB and the QB can throw to a spot,I didn't see this much.Why throw the fly if you don't hit it and you also don't do the "come=back"?
 
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belly,

How about these for sensible facts? Suggs is currently last in the conference in Passing Rating and Yards per Attempt. In addition, he has thrown the most interceptions in the conference. Finally, his QB rating for the past four games is averaging 106.2 which is below his season average. That means he has actually performed worse over the past four games than he did early in the season. Take away the first two games of the season against cupcakes and you get a QB who has a dismal rating. He is also the 86th rated passer in the nation.

Those are not statistics of a player who is improving or so good that the backup shouldn't be getting at least a few snaps per game.
 
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GTPilot, I defy you to find a post where I have touted AJ for any kind of awards or anything. My personal opinion is that he seems average at best and is slow making reads and getting the ball to where it's supposed to be. What I have been trying to say is the following:

1. contrary to some posters I don't think the coaching staff has some ulterior motive. They want to win and are playing the guys they think give us the best chance.

2. While not perfect, AJ must be showing better ability to make the reads and plays we want to make.

3. We can't afford an offense that's any more eratic than what we've shown already. Bilbo may have more upside in terms of hitting the long pass etc. But he must be showing more of a propensity to make a mistake somewhere along the way in a long drive.

4. We want to control the ball and time to keep our good but small defense off the field.

I would like to see Bilbo get some time myself, depending on the flow of the game, etc. I don't see bringing him in when we have bad field position or when we're on a roll, but I would like him to get some time. Then again, I wanted Hall to get some time last year, and the year before, and wanted Goose to get time while Joe H was here. (Actually very few teams play their backup QB unless it's a blow out)

Another thought on the conspiracy theory. In Charlotte this year when Weinke was benched the talk from camp was that he didn't understand the offense. They said even in the film room he would get the calls wrong watching it with the coaches. This is a 28-29 year old guy who started at least 3 years for a national championsip team with a high powered passing attack. Trust me the Panthers don't have much of an offense and he still can't seem to get a grasp of what the coaches want him to do. It doesn't mean he's stupid, it doens't mean he isn't trying and it doens't mean the coaches suck. It will just take more time.

To me that's the correct analogy for Bilbo. What he did in high school is great, but the defenses are different and the players he is facing are better. The real question is whether we want to limit what we do to what he can do and take our chances that way. Or try to run more of the offense with AJ and hope he can get it done. That seems to be the decision the coaches have made. It could be working better, and in fact absent some bad reads/throws it would be. But you make the best decision you can and go with it.
 
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Good points ncjacket. I never thought you touted AJ for awards.

Still doesn't feel right to me but I guess that is the beauty of watching young men play a game. You never know what to expect.
 
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