Choice Surgery Successful (AJC)

beej67 said:
We should rest him until Georgia whether he wants to or not, then use his return as an emotional bonus.
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no....that is too many weeks of not playing and he won't be in game shape or in a game groove. You just can't turn a switch on after not playing for over a month. Practices during the year don't come close to simulating game speed or conditions.

TC would take a full half to get back into the swing of things and based on our team...we probably would be out of the game by then

this guy needs to play. He is a workhorse, if he is 90% healthy by duke...then darn it give him 20 carries. I don't understand the mentality of saving him. You aren't saving crap...you are just risking failure. Its kinda like running it on 3rd and 20 at the end of a game down by 2.

Injury is always a possibility, whether you save him or not. You can't let that affect fear affect your decisions. If he is healthy and ready to go...he should play. PERIOD
 
I actually kinda thing that not working him like a pack mule might be good for our offense. You know, like, passing more?

I'm not saying I don't want him for VT, but not having him for VT actually makes me think we might get a little more creative on O.
 
WCAttyJacket said:
I would like to seem him rest through the Duke game. There is no sense in rushing back and not being ready, especially when the opponent is a team like Duke.
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The only benefit to Duke is to get him back up to game-speed. I wouldn't want to see him rush 30 or even 20 times, but give him some game-speed plays. He looked winded the game he came back from the hammie.
 
beej67 said:
I actually kinda thing that not working him like a pack mule might be good for our offense. You know, like, passing more?

I'm not saying I don't want him for VT, but not having him for VT actually makes me think we might get a little more creative on O.
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we may get more creative, but passing more doesn't mean more creative, it means we are going against our strengths. We don't have an offense that has shown ANY ability to pass consistently through a game and I don't think VT is the game to test that. Would I like to be able to sling it around....yes....but does that give us the best chance to win???? I don't know that it does. We have to be balanced....IMO slightly favored towards our strength...35 runs and maybe 25ish passes...
 
passing more doesn't mean more creative
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Actually, for us this year I think it does. :)

I think the 5 wide set from Army is a great opportunity to test how well we play without Choice in the game.

Fwiw, high powered offenses are 60:40 pass:run, and "run offenses" are 50:50. Nobody runs more than passes in a successful offense unless they're running option.
 
beej67 said:
Fwiw, high powered offenses are 60:40 pass:run, and "run offenses" are 50:50. Nobody runs more than passes in a successful offense unless they're running option.
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dude...no comment. just no comment. :laugher::laugher: Done with this one based on this comment.

Oklahoma is that a successful offense? What defines that? they avg 44 points a game this year. 321 rushing attempts to 225 passing. They don't run option. There is one team that runs more than passes and is successful

Kansas. 46 points a game. No option. 286 rush attempts, 240 pass. Another one.

Kentucky, 42 points a game and a awesome QB. Pass 303, rush 308. HUH? How could that be?

Spurrier at SC....168 Pass, 174 rush...no option there

LSU 234 pass, 354 run. No option there.

South Cal 250 pass, 271 run...no option there.

Dude...u may want to revise your opinion.

Most successful offenses, if they are not option based (i filtered for the oregons, WVUs, UFs) as you say, do run it more than pass.
 
Have TC sit until UNC, but let him coach the offense vs. BC and Duke
 
beej67 said:
Actually, for us this year I think it does. :)

I think the 5 wide set from Army is a great opportunity to test how well we play without Choice in the game.

Fwiw, high powered offenses are 60:40 pass:run, and "run offenses" are 50:50. Nobody runs more than passes in a successful offense unless they're running option.
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C'mon beej. Most teams run more than they pass. When Fridge was here and we had JoeHam and Goose, we still ran more than we threw.
 
ncjacket said:
C'mon beej. Most teams run more than they pass. When Fridge was here and we had JoeHam and Goose, we still ran more than we threw.
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FALSE!

I sense a backpeddle coming on.... ;)
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Hahaha.

Fridge aimed for a 60:40 pass run ratio. Go back and check. Joe Hamilton's senior year we averaged more than 10 yards on first down. How do you do that running 50% of the time, eh? And while we supposedly were an 'option' team while he was here, we never actually ran option more than about 5 to 10 (tops) times a game. Fridge just kept it in the playbook to force other teams to practice defending it, and he only ever ran triple option because it required the most defensive practice.
 
beej67 said:
FALSE!

Hahaha.

Fridge aimed for a 60:40 pass run ratio. Go back and check. Joe Hamilton's senior year we averaged more than 10 yards on first down. How do you do that running 50% of the time, eh? And while we supposedly were an 'option' team while he was here, we never actually ran option more than about 5 to 10 (tops) times a game. Fridge just kept it in the playbook to force other teams to practice defending it, and he only ever ran triple option because it required the most defensive practice.
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You want numbers? I'll give you numbers.

1998 rush/pass 469/280
1998 503/319
2000 466/374

Fridge is definitely a run first coach. Always has been always will be.
 
beej67 said:
FALSE!

Hahaha.

Fridge aimed for a 60:40 pass run ratio. Go back and check. Joe Hamilton's senior year we averaged more than 10 yards on first down. How do you do that running 50% of the time, eh? And while we supposedly were an 'option' team while he was here, we never actually ran option more than about 5 to 10 (tops) times a game. Fridge just kept it in the playbook to force other teams to practice defending it, and he only ever ran triple option because it required the most defensive practice.
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Eat your medicine beej, you are wrong and don't know much about football. Just take the crow and move on.
 
Wow, BJ, I like you man, but you gotta be kidding.... Those numbers don't lie.

But here's your out (maybe?): You were talking about yards not plays, RIGHT??? ;)
 
33jacket said:
Eat your medicine beej, you are wrong and don't know much about football. Just take the crow and move on.
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LOL
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Nope, I was definitely talking about plays, not yards.

Still scratching my head over here. And apparently moonwalking with a big black bird in my mouth. "Squaaa!" Unless Ncj got his numbers switched.


I know I remember reading an article on the very topic, in which Fridge said he goes for 60:40 pass:run, and it was an article from the late 90s. Ncjacket I'm all happy to eat crow on this one. Would you mind linking me to where you got those numbers, so I could flavor my crow a bit? :)

If anyone's got a link to some play-by-play info from the 99 team I'd really love to dig through it and try to figure out exactly how we averaged over 10 yards on first down rushing it 61% of the time.
 
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