CJ's new career!

If we banned everything that humans have used as a tool for their own destruction we would have to ban, well, everything. This is not a plant problem, it's a people problem. There is no standard where weed is anything even close to destructive as alcohol and tobacco, so unless you are on the ban alcohol and tobacco train as well then the argument is pure hypocrisy.
 
midatlantech said:
First, as a businessman, I think CJ is doing a smart thing, although it could slightly tarnish his excellent reputation.

As to medical marijuana, I don't have a problem with that use (and sorry to hear about your losses). What is frustrating, using California and others as example, is that the majority of these users simple get a friendly (fake) doctor prescription and off they go. Being one who was able to watch friends destroy their lives close up, I am fully against marijuana legalization. These states set up "legal" use dispensaries for the simple reason that they intend to push through all use through the same. It's sad to watch for me.

Why not have CJ go to the state and ask for a Oxycotin dispensary too. I mean, why are we stopping at marijuana only?
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The thing to learn from the 1920's is that people who want to drink are going to drink. And people who want to get high are going to get high. It is largely going to be the same people using whether it is legal or illegal. By banning it, you simply give up any regulatory control you could have over it and any revenue that you could possibly make from it.
 
DeepSnap said:
Actually it's been the 30-40somethings, not us dinosaurs, who've been whining...."if medicinal's abused, yadda yadda yadda..... it can lead to..... the new marijuana is SO much stronger"

Having a wife with breast cancer - she's doing fine after 2018's surgeries & radiation treatment & reconstructions - and having watched her mother & younger sister die of other types of cancer over a decade ago, us old guys have seen what the medicinal can do to ease the pain when nothing else works. For my sister-in-law in 2007 as she got within 3 or 4 months of end game & in hospice, it was the ONLY thing that worked short of morphine oblivion.

Believe me, if my wife had wanted or needed it, we'd be commuting to Tech football games from Denver. Sometimes, especially for those of us who were at NATS in the late 1960s & early 1970s, a little bit of perspective tempers the kneejerk reaction to this.
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I was mostly trying to take a swipe at the Hive mentality rather than the older generation in general. I totally stipulate that there are short-sighted douches in my generation. But there are a lot less of them.

I agree with you about the THC issues wrt morphine. Like some States, I take it a step farther and just legalize it entirely.
 
Ceiling Cat said:
Because marijuana is not as close to being as addictive or destructive as oxycotin. Pretty simple. People destroy their lives using alcohol too; should we ban that too?
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Geez, isn't that for debate, as in where do you draw the line?

In my examples, friends went from marijuana to death drugs very quickly.
 
juraitwaluzka said:
If we banned everything that humans have used as a tool for their own destruction we would have to ban, well, everything. This is not a plant problem, it's a people problem. There is no standard where weed is anything even close to destructive as alcohol and tobacco, so unless you are on the ban alcohol and tobacco train as well then the argument is pure hypocrisy.
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Well, alcohol IS being attacked. And tobacco HAS AND IS being attacked. Studies for marijuana offer similar health problems, but because it's liberal push of the decade, it doesn't get equal treatment.

As to drawing a line in the sand, yes, I believe that that is a good thing in society. We've looked the other way for people stepping over the line for decades. But the line in the sand, still has people thinking about their actions first, and some times I think that's a good thing.

By the way, I was at the Apple Store a few weeks ago. Up to fifty percent of the people in there absolutely reeked of pot. I used to smoke tobacco, and folks didn't stink this badly unless chain smoking all afternoon in a closet.
 
midatlantech said:
Well, alcohol IS being attacked. And tobacco HAS AND IS being attacked. Studies for marijuana offer similar health problems, but because it's liberal push of the decade, it doesn't get equal treatment.
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This is not really true. Studies for marijuana show very different health problems.

Studies for all three also show some benefits for each.

Problems probably outweigh the benefits for all three, for most of the time, but I think the benefits outweigh the problems for cigarettes for certain professions such as brain surgeons and air traffic controllers, and people with Parkinson's disease. Benefits outweigh problems for marijuana for folks on chemo, and that is a fact.

midatlantech said:
In my examples, friends went from marijuana to death drugs very quickly.
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In my experience, the reason people went from marijuana to death drugs quickly was expressly because:

A) the government told us they were all the same thing, and
B) the drug dealers had both available

ergo, marijuana's illegality is exactly what made it a gateway drug.
 
midatlantech said:
Geez, isn't that for debate, as in where do you draw the line?

In my examples, friends went from marijuana to death drugs very quickly.
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Oxycotin being more dangerous than marijuana is not open for debate. It is more dangerous. That shipped has sailed a long time ago. And your friend's issue was with other drugs not marijuana? Marijuana is not a "gateway" drug. Neither is alcohol, tobacco, milk, or any other BS reason people give on why they started doing crack or meth or heroin.
 
samsgt02 said:
Oxycotin being more dangerous than marijuana is not open for debate. It is more dangerous. That shipped has sailed a long time ago. And your friend's issue was with other drugs not marijuana? Marijuana is not a "gateway" drug. Neither is alcohol, tobacco, milk, or any other BS reason people give on why they started doing crack or meth or heroin.
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99%+ of heroin addicts have probably shopped at a Walmart at some point in their life. GATEWAY STORE!
 
midatlantech said:
Geez, isn't that for debate, as in where do you draw the line?

In my examples, friends went from marijuana to death drugs very quickly.
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In my examples, friends went from marijuana to the couch or the fridge or a concert maybe, not to death drugs. Being in musician circles back in the day I saw many examples of this. I've seen ruined lives from alcohol and pharma etc, never pot. Interestingly I've known 3 that have died from a heroin overdose and none of them really liked pot. They were all ööööed up for a variety of reasons. That's what lead to their death. The most recent, if there was a gateway it was oxy - once the scrips ran out and became harder to get it was either take what's available or suffer through withdrawal and they weren't exactly strong of mind or will. The system was no help, not that it necessarily should've been, but this was a crash course of destiny and had absolutely nothing to do with pot. People do destructive things because they are ööööed up for some reason or the other, not because they smoked weed.

If someone destroys themselves on alcohol, well yeah, that sucks, but it should have no bearing on whether or not I enjoy a few pints here and there. I'm responsible, they are not, why does that have to become my problem.

The argument comes down to freedom. If someone shouldn't have the freedom to smoke weed then they also shouldn't have the freedom to drink, smoke, eat fast food or do anything else that might be harmful in any way as decided by our wise government overlords. It is an impossible standard and a tyrannical one at that. It's illogical to single out pot and leave the others untouched when the death numbers alone are nowhere even close.

You stated that you thought MJ should be illegal but what about alcohol and tobacco? I know you said they are being attacked, but that's not the question, do you personally think alcohol and tobacco should be made illegal as well? If so, fine, that's a consistent argument at least, otherwise, it's a total bullshit position, at least for the stated reasons.
 
juraitwaluzka said:
In my examples, friends went from marijuana to the couch or the fridge or a concert maybe, not to death drugs. Being in musician circles back in the day I saw many examples of this. I've seen ruined lives from alcohol and pharma etc, never pot. Interestingly I've known 3 that have died from a heroin overdose and none of them really liked pot. They were all ööööed up for a variety of reasons. That's what lead to their death. The most recent, if there was a gateway it was oxy - once the scrips ran out and became harder to get it was either take what's available or suffer through withdrawal and they weren't exactly strong of mind or will. The system was no help, not that it necessarily should've been, but this was a crash course of destiny and had absolutely nothing to do with pot. People do destructive things because they are ööööed up for some reason or the other, not because they smoked weed.

If someone destroys themselves on alcohol, well yeah, that sucks, but it should have no bearing on whether or not I enjoy a few pints here and there. I'm responsible, they are not, why does that have to become my problem.

The argument comes down to freedom. If someone shouldn't have the freedom to smoke weed then they also shouldn't have the freedom to drink, smoke, eat fast food or do anything else that might be harmful in any way as decided by our wise government overlords. It is an impossible standard and a tyrannical one at that. It's illogical to single out pot and leave the others untouched when the death numbers alone are nowhere even close.

You stated that you thought MJ should be illegal but what about alcohol and tobacco? I know you said they are being attacked, but that's not the question, do you personally think alcohol and tobacco should be made illegal as well? If so, fine, that's a consistent argument at least, otherwise, it's a total bullshit position, at least for the stated reasons.
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I appreciate your discussion. Like it or not but we are all biased. My bias believes that tobacco never led to cigars or anything more powerful unless you believe that once an individual is comfortable inhaling smoke, that they will smoke pot more quickly.
Alcohol is unique in that it’s the same stuff just higher and higher amounts. It certainly can be addictive and kill like so many things.
But my bias, based on lots of personal observation is that pot Leeds to more and bigger highs and that those next level of drugs can kill and kill quickly.

There is certainly an argument about anything. Large cokes are now restricted in ny I believe.

My observation is that Dems will push any and everything just to push the envelope. After pot is allowed everywhere, cocaine will be next.
 
midatlantech said:
My observation is that Dems will push any and everything just to push the envelope. After pot is allowed everywhere, cocaine will be next.
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AND WHO GIVES A SHIT!

Is that worse than dumbass Republicans putting us into 20 year, unwinnable wars?

You're grasp on reality seems to be very tenuous. You do know a lot of cocaine is around in Atlanta, right? Doctors, lawyers, etc do that shit.

Quit dragging your bullshit politics into this. Go back to the Hive. You are so boring.
 
BuckNasty said:
AND WHO GIVES A öööö!

Is that worse than dumbass Republicans putting us into 20 year, unwinnable wars?

You're grasp on reality seems to be very tenuous. You do know a lot of cocaine is around in Atlanta, right? Doctors, lawyers, etc do that öööö.

Quit dragging your bullshit politics into this. Go back to the Hive. You are so boring.
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I guess I hit a sore spot.
 
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