Coach Gailey's comments confusing

[mississippi_jacket]

Coach Gailey\'s comments confusing

Per another post about CG's comments on the QB situation. These really baffeled me. I played QB in high school and I could not make all the throws, but I could make most of them. I for sure knew more about every single play than everyone on the team and probably the whole coaching staff. I could and still can read defenses like they a second grade book. I knew exactly where to go with the ball on every play, BUT I COULD NOT EXECUTE IT ALWAYS, THEREFOR I DID NOT START. I knew it at the time that I shouldn't be starting at QB. I came in an ran the option sometimes and that was my job. My coaches were idiots and they knew that IF YOU CAN'T EXECUTE THE PLAYS IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU KNOW THE D*** PLAY BOOK! Most people from Tech will get confused from this reasoning because IT IS NOT LOGICAL. I am about to pull my hair out because people making illogical decisions (like the tort reform debate - it will not lower the medical malpractice insurance rates, it will just make insurance companies rich, just ask people in Cal. and Mich. where they already have it) sorry about that, but I am not pleased with that either. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS REASONING. Why can't he say something like AJ is better or some logical reason to be starting AJ. PLEASE HELP ME.

Have a nice day.

 

[Gold Rush]

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Just scroll down and look at any number of my posts on this topic

 

[bellyseries]

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miss, I enjoyed your post because it reminds me of myself as a Little League third baseman. For each batter I always figured out exactly what I would do with any kind of batted ball: what base to throw to or back up, etc. . My coaches didn't tell me to do this, I just thought you were supposed to. Then I found out later that lots of guys played baseball just by reaction.

There's no telling from sports board posts what a coach really said or meant about any given player "knowing the playbook". But I bet that means something totally different to DBo, a hugely gifted natural athlete, than it does to you or me or CG.

 

[bizzybee]

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I hate it when a coach says a player does not know the playbook. It sounds like he is insinuating player not smart enough to pick it up. It sounds like a slight to me. AJ hasn't exactly known where to go with the ball all the time.

 

[AlaGold]

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This "knows the playbook" stuff is fine in theory but this isn't computer games.The Def adjusts on EVERY play.If you are fball and experienced smart you can adjust your play to counter OR if you have great natural ability you can overcome the threat by dodging,running quicker,throwing harder/straighter,etc.
Give Bilbo the chance to get the "fball sense" because ONLY ,.repeat ONLY, HE has the natural ability. .

 

[GTTerrific]

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I think some of you need to go in the business of coaching.

Coach Gailey has stated in past that Bilbo has his package that he's running for the game and it's about 20% of the offense. Where is the direct quote from Coach Gailey stating that Bilbo is not smart enough or that he doesn't know the plays?

Have any of you guys ever seen the GT offensive playbook?

You're taking statements and reading things into what coaches are saying if you ask me. That's just my opinion.

Like Bilbo stated that the fans are ignorant. He said it in a nice way. I don't mean that ugly, but a lot of times we are. We sit up in the stands and in our chairs at home and think we're better coaches than the ones who are with these guys day in and day out. We sound like we can make better decisions. We're extremely critical when things don't go right. It's beyond arrogant if you ask me the way fans act. Like I said. Have any of you seen the GT Offensive playbook or the D playbook? How bout the special teams playbook? Can promise you Miss. Jacket that it looks a lot diff. than the one you had in HS. Not meant as a flame. I hear your point. Can tell your frustration. Way I look at it it's not logical to vent frustrations on a public forum for the world to see. Doesn't do GT and the team any good at all. That's my opinion. Recruits, parents, and anyone reads these boards. People say it doesn't make a diff. That's bull. It does make a diff. Just like booing from the stands makes a diff. Should have seen the hundred plus on HS players down below me looking back at the two people booing. Should hang out at the locker room and hear what recruits are saying after the ball game. Sure what we say on here or don't say on here makes a difference. People are ignorant to think otherwise.

We're 4-2. We can debate about if it's a good 4-2 or a bad 4-2 all we want. To me it's all the same. We have 4 wins and 2 loses. When we lose to Wake it's "the sky is falling" and all the Coach Gailey bashers are ugly and call him names acting like kids. If we beat Wake it's probably no biggy to some of you fans. People have the attitude that we should have beaten little of Wake (fans attitudes),because they have no respect for Wake who played a whale of a ball game Sat at BDS.

This season is far from over!

I know some of you aren't going to support the coaches and the players. That's obvious from the way you act on here. I wish you'd support GT and do what's right for the program.

GO JACKETS! BEAT THE TURTLES!

 

[mississippi_jacket]

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Originally posted by GTTerrific:
I think some of you need to go in the business of coaching.

Coach Gailey has stated in past that Bilbo has his package that he's running for the game and it's about 20% of the offense. Where is the direct quote from Coach Gailey stating that Bilbo is not smart enough or that he doesn't know the plays?

Have any of you guys ever seen the GT offensive playbook?

You're taking statements and reading things into what coaches are saying if you ask me. That's just my opinion.

Like Bilbo stated that the fans are ignorant. He said it in a nice way. I don't mean that ugly, but a lot of times we are. We sit up in the stands and in our chairs at home and think we're better coaches than the ones who are with these guys day in and day out. We sound like we can make better decisions. We're extremely critical when things don't go right. It's beyond arrogant if you ask me the way fans act. Like I said. Have any of you seen the GT Offensive playbook or the D playbook? How bout the special teams playbook? Can promise you Miss. Jacket that it looks a lot diff. than the one you had in HS. Not meant as a flame. I hear your point. Can tell your frustration. Way I look at it it's not logical to vent frustrations on a public forum for the world to see. Doesn't do GT and the team any good at all. That's my opinion. Recruits, parents, and anyone reads these boards. People say it doesn't make a diff. That's bull. It does make a diff. Just like booing from the stands makes a diff. Should have seen the hundred plus on HS players down below me looking back at the two people booing. Should hang out at the locker room and hear what recruits are saying after the ball game. Sure what we say on here or don't say on here makes a difference. People are ignorant to think otherwise.

We're 4-2. We can debate about if it's a good 4-2 or a bad 4-2 all we want. To me it's all the same. We have 4 wins and 2 loses. When we lose to Wake it's "the sky is falling" and all the Coach Gailey bashers are ugly and call him names acting like kids. If we beat Wake it's probably no biggy to some of you fans. People have the attitude that we should have beaten little of Wake (fans attitudes),because they have no respect for Wake who played a whale of a ball game Sat at BDS.

This season is far from over!

I know some of you aren't going to support the coaches and the players. That's obvious from the way you act on here. I wish you'd support GT and do what's right for the program.

GO JACKETS! BEAT THE TURTLES!

<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Actually I have seen the play book. It was the '98 when my best friend and pretty much roommate played for Tech. I never said anything about my high school play book being bigger. I was just making a point that when one can't execute the plays it doesn't matter if he knows the play book or not, they aren't going to execute them. On the booing thing, I have not been to a game because I am in law school in Mississippi which makes it down right impossible to drive 12 hours on weekends to see them. It hurts me, but my future is more important. When I went to every single game while I was at Tech I only booed the refs. And don't tell me I should boo the refs because I will always boo a bad call by the refs (unless it helps Tech which never seems to be the case). I think the thing that hurts recruiting more than anything is when recruits see an obviously better player sitting the bench while the one in the game stinks it up. They think, hey this coach isn't fair. If he gets it in his head that someone is going to play ahead of me, it doesn't matter what I do on the field I will not be given a chance. And that is the truth my friend. I know recruits that did go to a college, because they heard about dog houses and they could never get out of and such. I HAVE NEVER BOOED ANY TECH PLAYER OR COACH. Doesn't mean I am going to tell eveyone else not to boo because I feel it is their right. I choose not to and don't condone it. One of the main reasons I vent here is because I am the only GT in the state (except the McNair's and Bilbo's) and don't have anybody to talk about this stuff. Also I don't see anything illogical or wrong about what I am doing. Thanks for your reply.

 

[ahsoisee]

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GTTerrific, You say posters on this board are ignorant, if they do not see everything the way you see it (booing, statements on the board, etc).

Have you ever considered the idea, you may be wrong, and you are the ignorant one? What authority gives you the right to say everyone else is ignorant and you are right? What supreme criteria are we to use to determine you are right and someone else is wrong?

Now, it sounds reasonable you have an opinion and others have their opinions, but you have made flat statements of ignorant people because their views differ from yours.

You asserted those having different views from yours and points out the mistakes of the coaches, are not supporters of Tech football. There have been statements on this board from four or five posters with 50+ years of supporting Tech football, whose views differ from yours, and they have pointed out some poor coaching calls by the Tech coaches.

How many years have you supported Tech football? What criteria makes you a better Tech fan than these posters?

How do I know you are right as opposed to these posters?

 

[GTTerrific]

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I'm with Bilbo. I tend to trust the coaches more than I do the posters on this board.

 

[GTTerrific]

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I do hope everyone here supports the players and the coaches. By reading the board it's of my opinion that some sound like they don't. That's my opinion.

Miss. Jacket. I didn't mean to come across that you booed. I was just making a point that it doesn't help to boo from the stands. I also didn't make it clear that I wasn't referring to refs. My bad. I boo the heck out of the refs.

 

[ahsoisee]

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GTTerrific, that is your right to prefer the statements of the coaches more than the posters. It is also the right of any poster to disagree with the coaches statements.

A coach can make a decision or statement, but that does not mean he is right. Most all decisions are up for debate, and there is no clear right or wrong. I can assure you that for each decision by a given coach, I can find other coaches that will have an opposite opinion of that decision.

Case in point, take the option to punt by Tech from around the fifty in the latter part of the game with less than a yard to go for a first down. There would have been a number of other coaches that would have tried for the first down at that particular time.

During the Bill Lewis era, there were a lot of fans second guessing him. If you were a fan at that time, your statements tell me you would have supported every Bill Lewis decision without question. You are, indeed, a remarkable person.

 

[mississippi_jacket]

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GTTerrific I welcome any criticism from anyone; I just reserve the right to respond. I have been following your posts for awhile now (if you are the same GTTerrific on the hive) and tend to agree and enjoy most of them. Sometimes I do post things that maybe should be posted because I am only 23 and tend to let emotions get the better of me. I try not to, but I do. That is the reason I can't post on the hive any more (I was very drunk at about 3 in the morning when I found out about O'leary and I posted very stupid things which I wish I wouldn't have).

I was part joking and part serious on this post, but I really thought those comments by Coach Gailey about why AJ was playing were not very smart and wished he would have given a little more logical reason like AJ is better or something of that tone instead of saying AJ can't execute, but he knows the play book so we are going with him. I support Coach Gailey 100%, but I think it is a fans duty to question things that don't seem right to us or thing like the BL era happen. Just because I question him doesn't mean I don't support him. I know it sounds funny, but just think if someone one the board a WorldCom or Enron would have said to there leadership hey this isn't right out in public. Maybe it would have save some people's savings. I know comparing a good person like CG to scum like Bernie Evers, or a trivial situation to a serious situation, is not right, but they are (or were) both in leadership roles and I think it comes with the job. I was very happy CG was hired and have spoke with him on a number of occasions, and I like hime very much. I just think bad things happen when you blindly follow people no matter how good of a person they are.

 

[bobby dodds ghost]

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Regarding second guessing the coaches.....After getting home from all the games, I watch the taped replay of each game as soon as I get a chance. The TV announcers have questioned our play-calling on several instances in almost every game. Sometimes in disbelief. These guys know football to some extent, and I can never remember this much debate from announcers on our play-calling.
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BOO

 

[ahsoisee]

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Bobby Dodds Ghost, it is seldom I attend a game anymore. Since the wife does not like sports and my only son does not like to watch football, I watch all of my Tech games in front of the TV at this stage of my life. By the way, my son is 35 and has in his own life and family.

Having said that, I will verify your statement. Almost all of the second guessing I have seen on the board has been stated by the TV analyst at the time the plays were decided. It is really ironic how closely the board comments and the analyst's comments track each other.

 

[GTTerrific]

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Ahsoisee and Miss Jacket,

I don't disagree at all with questioning a call. The punt decision is an great example. Playing more zone instead of more man on man. Things of that nature. Going for 2 point conversion.

When it comes to who is ready to be our starter and who isn't, I tend to go with what the coaches think more than from what I see in games and the little bit of practice I've seen. At this point I don't see any reason why not too. We're 6 games into this coaching staffs first season. Is it posible for this to be like D. Davis and Loganbill situation? Doesn't seem to be, because they seem to have a plan for building Bilbo into the offense more and more. That wasn't the case with D. Davis. He was basicly not given a chance.

I'll state this as I did above using the word "we," because I do it as well. As fans we sometimes think we know more than we actually do. We don't see the hole picture sometimes I think. As I believe in the case of Bilbo. In that situation we might not be giving the coaches the benifit of the doubt, when they know far more about the situation than we do.

 

[Gold Rush]

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Agree and disagree...

#1, the premise that "we" don't know anything , ie as fans, and that the coaches therefore know "everything" is misguided thinking...

Just for instance, My whole family has played FB througout the years, both in college and HS. My dad also coached.I bet a lot of posters may have similar experiences. Now granted, we don't know what the Tech coaches know, I'll concede, but we're not completely ignorant either

Also, sometimes, (kind of like in a relationship/marriage) things can actually be clearer from the outside looking in for a variety of reasons....

Another point - I agree with the comment above - the two games i have seen on TV, the announcers/commentators etc also were quite perplexed at playcalling etc. So I see some consistency in that.

I also think, as Tech fans, having been down various "roads" in coaching etc, we're somewhat paranoid, having seen the ups and downs here, which IMO are more frequent and more pronounced than most colleges - and I think this accounts for some of the overreactions seem.

Just my opinion........and of course I could be wrong

 

[ncjacket]

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Questioning coaching decisions happens in every game at every level. The only "fact" about sports is the outcome. If a decision works the coach is a genious. If it doesn't he's a fool. There was no "right" decision regarding the punt IMO. If you go for it and make it it's a good decision, if you don't make it, it was the wrong one. If you punt and can't hold the other team deep in their end it was a bad decision, if you pin them on the one and get a safety or good field position it was good.

The only problem I have with people second guessing coaches is the assertions so many make that there was only one right thing to do. Like I said, the only thing that makes it right or wrong is what happens afterwards. Some guys have the knack for making the right choice, whether it's play calling, picking stocks or betting on games. Some don't. For most of us it evens out over time. The one thing I do believe is that you can't make the same decision all the time. If you are always aggressive or always conservative you tend to lose in something with an opponent because they can learn your tendancies. You have to go with your gut feeling at the time.

 

[83jacket]

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Easy to second guess plays after they been run...very hard to call the right ones before they are run. The vast majority (99.9%) of fans and posters could not put together a game plan if there life depended on it.

 

[Gold Rush]

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Putting together a game plan, and knowing enough about football to recognize where there could be problems are very different things

 

[law_bee]

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I question people's behavior for a living and this is what is the most rational theory to
CG's thought process.

CG presumed that AJ would step up. In practice he looks good and has the tools, however for whatever reason this did not happen. Quincy Carter was a player like this, IMO.

I think if you can read b/n the lines CG will be pushing Bilbo more and more now.

As far as Bilbo knowing the playbook. He is a freshman. They say the toughest jump you ever make is from H.S. to College. We all remember lil joes first year. It is reasonable that CG wanted the most experienced Kid to start.