Coaches on the hot seat next week??

Harbaugh hasn't been able to get them to the elite level everyone expected, but they're still in a much better place than where they were before he got there (5 of 7 years post-Carr ended with 7 wins or fewer).

I think they'd be dumb to fire him, even though his record against good teams is pretty bad. If an alum not too far removed from a Super Bowl appearance isn't "cutting it," I'm not really sure what they expect.
 
gtfan088 said:
Harbaugh hasn't been able to get them to the elite level everyone expected, but they're still in a much better place than where they were before he got there (5 of 7 years post-Carr ended with 7 wins or fewer).

I think they'd be dumb to fire him, even though his record against good teams is pretty bad. If an alum not too far removed from a Super Bowl appearance isn't "cutting it," I'm not really sure what they expect.
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I think Michigan's offense, if football offenses could be measured in "ineptitude per seniority weighted recruit star", would be second only to FSU at this time. At least that's what my eyeballs tell me. I think they probably expect something other than that, which is probably the reason they keep losing to good teams. Their defense is really good, crushingly so, but you can only defense-to-death so many teams.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
I think Michigan's offense, if football offenses could be measured in "ineptitude per seniority weighted recruit star", would be second only to FSU at this time. At least that's what my eyeballs tell me. I think they probably expect something other than that, which is probably the reason they keep losing to good teams. Their defense is really good, crushingly so, but you can only defense-to-death so many teams.
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I guess I meant more of how they can expect to hire someone who is going to come in and get better results. They should definitely expect more from their offense, but Harbaugh has a successful enough track record that the overwhelming odds are that the next coach will be a significant step down. That's not even factoring in that they would actually have to sell Michigan to a really good coach right after firing a guy who not too long ago was regarded as one of the best coaches in the NFL.

In other words, it might be time for Michigan to do some self-assessing as to where they currently stand in the college football landscape beyond simply who the coach is.
 
gtfan088 said:
I guess I meant more of how they can expect to hire someone who is going to come in and get better results. They should definitely expect more from their offense, but Harbaugh has a successful enough track record that the overwhelming odds are that the next coach will be a significant step down. That's not even factoring in that they would actually have to sell Michigan to a really good coach right after firing a guy who not too long ago was regarded as one of the best coaches in the NFL.

In other words, it might be time for Michigan to do some self-assessing as to where they currently stand in the college football landscape beyond simply who the coach is.
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Michigan brings 80,000 fans per game even when they suck, and are a top 5 all time program with a ridiculous budget. They are the kind of program that can fire anyone and then hire anyone.

As to whether that anyone will do any better overall, who knows. But it sure seems like it would be hard to pick blindly from the CFB world's offensive coordinators and find a guy doing worse pound for pound right this second. One glaring exception.
 
Michigan needs to do what Clemson and Penn State did with their current head coaches, go out and get him some big money coordinators.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
Michigan brings 80,000 fans per game even when they suck, and are a top 5 all time program with a ridiculous budget. They are the kind of program that can fire anyone and then hire anyone.

As to whether that anyone will do any better overall, who knows. But it sure seems like it would be hard to pick blindly from the CFB world's offensive coordinators and find a guy doing worse pound for pound right this second. One glaring exception.
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They took an up-and-coming successful coach in Rodriguez, went with a well-respected coach in Hoke, then took one of the most respected coaches in the game in Harbaugh. The vast majority of programs in the country would have loved to get Jim Harbaugh in 2015, so I think there has to be a point where you pause and ask if it's really the coach holding them back.
 
gtfan088 said:
They took an up-and-coming successful coach in Rodriguez, went with a well-respected coach in Hoke, then took one of the most respected coaches in the game in Harbaugh. The vast majority of programs in the country would have loved to get Jim Harbaugh in 2015, so I think there has to be a point where you pause and ask if it's really the coach holding them back.
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Yeah, something could definitely be in the water, like whatever they've got down at Texas, but look at Rodriguez results since parting with Michigan, and Hoke's, for that matter. Harbaugh also seems to have upped his crazy game sharply right before they hired him, and now Michigan's offense needs a laugh track. Or rather, still does, although we're way removed from Hoke at this point. The thing that kills the "it's the school, not the coach" thing for me is that the defense is a killing machine. Don Brown is over that side of the ball, rockin' and rollin' just like he did when somehow Boston College was fielding an All-American defense out of ACC replacement parts. Clearly these kids can be coached, and clearly Michigan has access to talent. But somehow they trot that offense out under the watchful eyes of Harbaugh? He really doesn't seem like the kind of guy who just shows up to collect a paycheck and lets boosters mess up his stuff, or whatever else might be the case. Seems a possibility that the guys Michigan is hiring at the HC position are not necessarily the guys that are showing up for work. That might just be bad luck, because like you say, everyone wanted Harbaugh. Hell, they probably still do, but if Michigan let him go today and he ended up somewhere else, I don't know why you'd expect to get anything other than what you see. The guy's a former quarterback, and an offense brain, and that's the stuff that's working the least on the team. He should be able to recognize it, at least, before Notre Dame of all teams brings it crashing down around him. Especially after 3 years of the same.
 
gtfan088 said:
I guess I meant more of how they can expect to hire someone who is going to come in and get better results. They should definitely expect more from their offense, but Harbaugh has a successful enough track record that the overwhelming odds are that the next coach will be a significant step down. That's not even factoring in that they would actually have to sell Michigan to a really good coach right after firing a guy who not too long ago was regarded as one of the best coaches in the NFL.

In other words, it might be time for Michigan to do some self-assessing as to where they currently stand in the college football landscape beyond simply who the coach is.
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Nick Saban has ruined things for everybody. Except Alabama and GT fans, obvs.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
Yeah, something could definitely be in the water, like whatever they've got down at Texas, but look at Rodriguez results since parting with Michigan, and Hoke's, for that matter. Harbaugh also seems to have upped his crazy game sharply right before they hired him, and now Michigan's offense needs a laugh track. Or rather, still does, although we're way removed from Hoke at this point. The thing that kills the "it's the school, not the coach" thing for me is that the defense is a killing machine. Don Brown is over that side of the ball, rockin' and rollin' just like he did when somehow Boston College was fielding an All-American defense out of ACC replacement parts. Clearly these kids can be coached, and clearly Michigan has access to talent. But somehow they trot that offense out under the watchful eyes of Harbaugh? He really doesn't seem like the kind of guy who just shows up to collect a paycheck and lets boosters mess up his stuff, or whatever else might be the case. Seems a possibility that the guys Michigan is hiring at the HC position are not necessarily the guys that are showing up for work. That might just be bad luck, because like you say, everyone wanted Harbaugh. Hell, they probably still do, but if Michigan let him go today and he ended up somewhere else, I don't know why you'd expect to get anything other than what you see. The guy's a former quarterback, and an offense brain, and that's the stuff that's working the least on the team. He should be able to recognize it, at least, before Notre Dame of all teams brings it crashing down around him. Especially after 3 years of the same.
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I can't really disagree with any of this, but I'd bank on him getting things turned around (maybe not this year) over his replacement doing it.
 
HurricaneJacket said:
Alabama is in for a very hard fall when Saban retires.
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Unless they get Dabo, which I doubt. I just don’t want the puppies to get any better.
I talked to a long time FSU fan and he is really down on Taggert. Says it’s the worst offense he’s seen FSU trot out in 40 years.
 
WracerX said:
I see them pulling a Nebraska. The next guy wins, but not big enough. Then they make a series of bad to not great hires.
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Actually, that's called pulling a Georgia Tech. Or Alabama. Or any other team ever that had a legendary coach who eventually left. Everyone does it. Hiring the right coach is capturing lightning in a bottle.

In fact, Nebraska is one of the few programs to ever offer a counterexample – Tom Osborne was the replacement hire for Bob Devaney, a two-time national champ coach himself.

Really, Nebraska football was such a thing of beauty, such an American thing of beauty, once upon a time. I really hope they get back to being excellent. Time for Ohio St. to return to the almost-but-never-quite team it was for so, so long.
 
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