College Football Playoff

Yellow Fever said:
Ok here is my try.
(we don't know the BCS Rankings yet but based on the AP as if it were the bcs...)


#1 Florida vs. #8 Texas Tech
#2 OU vs. #7 Utah
#3 Texas vs. #6 Penn State
#4 Bama vs. #5 USC
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So you are doing it based solely on BCS ranking not Conference champions or even a hybrid? How about Boise St. who is undefeated? Where are they? Out of 8 teams you have 3 Big 12 teams, 2 SEC teams, NO ACC teams, NO Big East teams... I give you a grade of C-.
You barely pass for actually being the only person to put up your scenario, but your playoff system sucks. Its based on the BCS ranking solely which is what people have a problem to begin with. You also have conveniently award the Big 12 and SEC and not even recognized the Big East or Sagarin's strongest rated conference the ACC.
 
These rankings use the AP poll from this morning as an example.

My system:

Take the 6 BCS champs, rank them 1-6 based on location in the BCS standings (AP in this case).

1) Florida
2) Oklahoma
3) USC
4) Penn State
5) Cincinnati
6) Virginia Tech

Then take the next 6 highest ranked teams that did not win their conference (or did, but are not a BCS team) and rank them 7-12:

7) Texas
8) Alabama
9) Utah
10) Texas Tech
11) Boise State
12) Ohio State

Four round playoff: top four seeds get a round 1 bye, and 12 plays 5, 11 plays 4, etc:

12) Ohio State @ 5) Cincinnati
11) Boise State @ 6) Virginia Tech
10) Texas Tech @ 7) Texas
9) Utah @ 8) Utah

The 9-8 winner plays the #1 seed in round 2, the 10-7 winner plays seed #2, etc.

First two rounds are played at the higher seeds' home field. The final two rounds (Semis and finals) are played at a neutral field like the current BCS system.

Don't take away all of the other bowls. After the 12 seeds are named, the 25-30 other bowls pick their games and the lower ranked teams still get postseason play.
 
gth816f said:
Okay. I would seed 8 teams 1-8, have team #1 play team #8, 2 vs. 7, etc. I've thought long and hard about who I would put in and here's the result:


This was really difficult to do, I can see why you needed me to list it out.
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Ok. You fail. You are listing the top 8 teams as decided by the BCS, which is what we have a problem with anyway. You have totally left out the Big East and The ACC which according to Sagarin's is the strongest conference.

And the reason I am asking you to list it, is because it makes you think about how a playoff could work. All you are doing is expanding the problem of the BCS. Instead of giving 1 team (Texas) the ability to complain about being left out, you have now created a system where about 5 teams can complain for being left out. Namely the Big East, ACC and Boise State who went undefeated, but somehow gives up their spot to Utah?
 
Diseqc said:
The 6 BCS conferences are NEVER going to agree to a system where their champion is not invited to the playoff. Legal reasons will also force the NCAA to include the smaller conferences. For these reasons, an 8 or 4 game playoff will never happen.
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Grade: C
You make a damn fine arguement, but the assignment was come up with a playoff system that works, not figure out a way to avoid the homework assignment, Smartass. :D
 
BarrelORum said:
Ok. You fail. You are listing the top 8 teams as decided by the BCS, which is what we have a problem with anyway. You have totally left out the Big East and The ACC which according to Sagarin's is the strongest conference.

And the reason I am asking you to list it, is because it makes you think about how a playoff could work. All you are doing is expanding the problem of the BCS. Instead of giving 1 team (Texas) the ability to complain about being left out, you have now created a system where about 5 teams can complain for being left out. Namely the Big East, ACC and Boise State who went undefeated, but somehow gives up their spot to Utah?
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Yep. Life ain't fair and this system ain't perfect, but right now you have nine teams with a legitimate claim to the title(the one loss teams except for Ball state, Utah, and Boise) and seven can complain. The only reason most of them aren't is because the way the system is set up there is zero chance for them to make their claim, and Texas is still holding on to a slight hope.

I think my system's advantage over the BCS is this: less teams get screwed and the fans get more meaningful games, both in the playoffs and towards the end of the regular season. Yes, some teams still get screwed, but there are less of them and teams get screwed in every major sport. It's just a way of life.
 
BarrelORum said:
So you are doing it based solely on BCS ranking not Conference champions or even a hybrid? How about Boise St. who is undefeated? Where are they? Out of 8 teams you have 3 Big 12 teams, 2 SEC teams, NO ACC teams, NO Big East teams... I give you a grade of C-.
You barely pass for actually being the only person to put up your scenario, but your playoff system sucks. Its based on the BCS ranking solely which is what people have a problem to begin with. You also have conveniently award the Big 12 and SEC and not even recognized the Big East or Sagarin's strongest rated conference the ACC.
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Basically I think the BCS is a pile of ****, so the only way that we are going to get away from it is give thoes idiots the idea that they still matter. If we can get an 8 team bcs based playoff system then surely a 16 team playoff with conference auto-bids would surely follow, but there is no way the bcs will just end and a 16 team field will follow.
 
No system is perfect, this year in the FCS, the CAA got 5 teams in the playoffs and the Southern Conference only got 2 teams. There will never be a perfect answer, but deciding a winner on the field is much better than what we have now in my opinion.
 
gmlane, you get a B. While your playoff system may work, you have now created a system where a team like Alabama, if they went to the Championship game, could play a 17 game season which is entirely too long and very grueling for young student athletes. No way you could do this unless teams scheduled less games and because the system rates by BCS points, that won't happen.
 
gth816f said:
Yep. Life ain't fair and this system ain't perfect, but right now you have nine teams with a legitimate claim to the title(the one loss teams except for Ball state, Utah, and Boise) and seven can complain. The only reason most of them aren't is because the way the system is set up there is zero chance for them to make their claim, and Texas is still holding on to a slight hope.

I think my system's advantage over the BCS is this: less teams get screwed and the fans get more meaningful games, both in the playoffs and towards the end of the regular season. Yes, some teams still get screwed, but there are less of them and teams get screwed in every major sport. It's just a way of life.
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Your system would not work because someone would be sued and the BCS would crumble. Like I said, you fail. You tried to take the easy way out on your homework assignment and did not give me anything that resembled an intelligent thought. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. :D
 
BarrelORum said:
gmlane, you get a B. While your playoff system may work, you have now created a system where a team like Alabama, if they went to the Championship game, could play a 17 game season which is entirely too long and very grueling for young student athletes. No way you could do this unless teams scheduled less games and because the system rates by BCS points, that won't happen.
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OK, so then reduce the regular season to 11 games.

My argument though is that if teams like Elon or South Carolina State can play a 16 game season including the playoffs, why can't teams like USC or Texas?
 
BarrelORum said:
Your system would not work because someone would be sued and the BCS would crumble. Like I said, you fail. You tried to take the easy way out on your homework assignment and did not give me anything that resembled an intelligent thought. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. :D
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Who would be sued and why? And why would this cause the BCS to crumble? And why would someone sue in my system and not with the current system, which has an even bigger potential for screwjobs? You get a D- for failing to give me specific examples. Sorry :(.
 
gth816f said:
Who would be sued and why? And why would this cause the BCS to crumble? And why would someone sue in my system and not with the current system, which has an even bigger potential for screwjobs? You get a D- for failing to give me specific examples. Sorry :(.
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You get an F for talking back to the teacher. :laugher:

As soon as you make a system that does not recognize individual conferences (which wouldn't happen anyway because the conferences would never allow it) you are at risk of the BCS playoff being categorized as a monopoly which would allow for the government to break it up once the ACC and Big East in theis example file suit in Federal Court.
 
BarrelORum said:
You get an F for talking back to the teacher. :laugher:

As soon as you make a system that does not recognize individual conferences (which wouldn't happen anyway because the conferences would never allow it) you are at risk of the BCS playoff being categorized as a monopoly which would allow for the government to break it up once the ACC and Big East in theis example file suit in Federal Court.
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If that was the case, why wouldn't the Mountain West sue for an autobid right now? They went undefeated against the PAC 10 this year I think. Or what about the WAC? Sure they got killed last year, but Boise beat Oklahoma in one of the greatest games ever played, and they're undefeated this year and going to get shut out when a three loss ACC team(who lost to ECU) is going to go. Plus the ACC is like 1-7 in BCS games, so why do they deserve an autobid over the WAC?
 
gmlane said:
OK, so then reduce the regular season to 11 games.
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Easier said than done. your system still rewards teams off of BCS points so there wil be 13 game schedules if someone goes to a Conference Championship.
Also, you would end up starting games in the first week of September and finishing sometime in middle of January.
Round 1 would happen when? I would think Round 1 would have to start around Xmas to give teams two weeks to prepare. Then the season is as long as the pros. Impossible.
 
gth816f said:
If that was the case, why wouldn't the Mountain West sue for an autobid right now? They went undefeated against the PAC 10 this year I think. Or what about the WAC? Sure they got killed last year, but Boise beat Oklahoma in one of the greatest games ever played, and they're undefeated this year and going to get shut out when a three loss ACC team(who lost to ECU) is going to go. Plus the ACC is like 1-7 in BCS games, so why do they deserve an autobid over the WAC?
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The whole reason for adding the extra BCS game was to stop to smaller conferences from suing. That's why there is the rule where one is automatically included if they are ranked above 12 (not sure the exact number).
 
gth816f said:
If that was the case, why wouldn't the Mountain West sue for an autobid right now? They went undefeated against the PAC 10 this year I think. Or what about the WAC? Sure they got killed last year, but Boise beat Oklahoma in one of the greatest games ever played, and they're undefeated this year and going to get shut out when a three loss ACC team(who lost to ECU) is going to go. Plus the ACC is like 1-7 in BCS games, so why do they deserve an autobid over the WAC?
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This has already happened a few years ago and the Supreme Court upheld the BCS in its current format. Once you add the Big East and ACC to the argument, I'm sure it;s a lot easier for them to call it a monopoly.
 
Diseqc said:
The whole reason for adding the extra BCS game was to stop to smaller conferences from suing. That's why there is the rule where one is automatically included if they are ranked above 12 (not sure the exact number).
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So then can we expect the WAC to sue after this year? Because they are getting pretty majorly screwed.

BoR, if the Supreme Court upheld this system, then why do you think they wouldn't uphold my system?

EDIT: Oh, I didn't see that last line. That doesn't seem like much of an argument to me. It's basically you saying how you think the Supreme Court would act, despite precedence that doesn't agree with you.
 
BarrelORum said:
Easier said than done. your system still rewards teams off of BCS points so there wil be 13 game schedules if someone goes to a Conference Championship.
Also, you would end up starting games in the first week of September and finishing sometime in middle of January.
Round 1 would happen when? I would think Round 1 would have to start around Xmas to give teams two weeks to prepare. Then the season is as long as the pros. Impossible.
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Conference championships were played this weekend, December 6.

Give the weekend of Dec. 13th off. Round 1 is Dec. 20th, Round 2 is Dec. 27, round 3 is Jan. 3, and the championship is Jan. 10th.

A whole 2 days later than the championship game is played this year.
 
I take the following conferences:
Big Ten
Pac 10
Big XII
SEC
ACC
Big East
MAC
WAC
Mtn West
CUSA
Independent

Settle the 8 seeds by the first week of December:
1. ACC Champ
2. SEC Champ
3. Big XII Champ
4. Pac 10 Champ
5. Big Ten Champ
6. Big East Champ

7. WAC vs. Mtn West Champ
8. CUSA vs. MAC Champ
Or...
Higher Rated Independent

Seed according to and agreed upon RPI.

First Round games in 2nd week of December:

Using 4 minor bowls in a rotating order to hold quarterfinals. First year examples:
Humanitarian
Houston
Motor City
Mobile

Second round games in 3rd week of December:

Using 2 middle bowls in a rotating order to hold semis. First year example:
Champs
Liberty

Championship Game on January 2.

You use up a grand total of 6 minor/mid bowl games. Playoff teams who lose in the first round are eligible for a bowl game later, if one is still available.
 
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