Conference....."bias"

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So we have all seen SEC bias, particularly within the conference (Alabama) consisting of questionable calls to ensure that their top rated team doesn't lose particular in-conference games. Having a team in the playoff pays large dividends, after all.

My thinking is that Clemson may not be afforded any "special treatment" this year as they may not be the favorite to come out of the Atlantic anymore (Louisville).

Not saying that we have been a victim of such thinking before (phantom helmet to helmet vs VA Tech comes to mind), but do you think we will get an actual evenly called game on Thursday?
 
I haven't seen any Clemson bias. I think they could make the case that FSU has gotten the benefit of the doubt in a few CU-FSU matchups.

I think UNC gets more than its share of favorable calls in football. It definitely gets its pick when it comes to scheduling.

In football, I think it is more a matter of working the refs weak points. The BC hold-a-thon wasn't bias. It was coaching knowing that the regs would hold their flag after 3-4 calls.

I think CPJ has worked with the refs enough that we don't get the weekly chopblock calls anymore. That is educating the league office on the rules.

Now basketball is a whole other story. When a ballsack can get called for a foul for striking a fist. That is bias times infinity.
 
I never like the whole preemptive butthurt about officiating. The only time I ever feel there's merit to that is when we're facing UGA, because save for the Jasper Sanks game, I honestly can't remember a game where we've come out on the better end of the officiating against them.
 
If we lose, there will be many, many people to blameshift our butthurt towards. PJ, Roof, the media, the cheerleaders, Harambe...
 
Even if Clemson isn't the Atlantic favorite anymore, I have to believe Clemson will get their "fair share" of reasonable calls on Thursday. No doubt Swofford and the rest of the now SJW-ACC pansies want to set up an undefeated matchup for next Saturday against Louisville.
 
So people really think the refs, in front of a national tv audience, are going to make dishonest calls?

I remember when we played unc in basketball once and Jordan stole the ball from Mark Price. The boos & chants of "carolina refs" were huge.

Back then I videoed every game and when I watched it, it was obviously a great play made by a phenomenal athlete over a great athlete.

Preemptive Butthurt is not showing a lot of confidence in coaches & team. We seem to do it as much as anyone.
 
texstinger said:
So people really think the refs, in front of a national tv audience, are going to make dishonest calls?

I remember when we played unc in basketball once and Jordan stole the ball from Mark Price. The boos & chants of "carolina refs" were huge.

Back then I videoed every game and when I watched it, it was obviously a great play made by a phenomenal athlete over a great athlete.

Preemptive Butthurt is not showing a lot of confidence in coaches & team. We seem to do it as much as anyone.
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Semi-related to your story, I remember going online to UNC and Duke message boards during one of their basketball games. The UNC board was convinced that the ACC was deliberately favoring Duke because it's Duke, and the Duke board was convinced that the ACC front office was making a conscious effort to call games against Duke to prove there is no Duke bias. They were watching the same game with the same calls, and both were convinced that it was rigged against their team. It was amazing.
 
gtfan088 said:
I never like the whole preemptive butthurt about officiating. The only time I ever feel there's merit to that is when we're facing UGA, because save for the Jasper Sanks game, I honestly can't remember a game where we've come out on the better end of the officiating against them.
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Agreed. I don't think there's some conspiracy, and UGA has had the better team most years in the last two decades, but the amount of WTF calls that have cost us games against them is piling up. Defensive PI against us in '04 I think that gave them new life when video showed offensive PI. '06 fumble where the refs were pulling guys off the pile before the ball squirted out and they returned for a TD after the had zero offense. '14 "fumble" after forward progress clearly stopped returned for a TD (at least we recovered from that one).

We've sure had some big calls go against us with VT too. But a lot of our issues with them have been self-inflicted wounds.

Against Clemson, the only egregious call was the fumble at the goalline where the whole stadium could see the offsides. I still remember watching the call of the game on youtube later "wow he was in there fast. Oh, that's why." Other than that I remember them complaining about phantom holding calls in both games in '09 but don't think I ever went back to look for them.
 
Yeah, now that Clemson-Louisville have the primetime 8pm slot next Saturday (with the possibility of Gameday coming to town), you can bet the ACC is going to do all in their power to make sure Clemson wins on Thursday if the game is close. We need to be up by two scores at least in the fourth quarter to evade any and all shenanigans.
 
beej67 said:
We've beaten Clemson before when they were highly ranked and I've never felt they got the benefit of bias except for that one "steal the snap" thing.

If anything, the ACC has a State of North Carolina bias.
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Yes on the North Carolina thing to an extent, but anyone who went to Tech in the 90's has vivid memories of getting pass interference flags for deflecting the ball, and seeing the ball spotted a yard forward after no-gain runs, on behalf of F$U. It was the reason handing Bobby Bowden his own ass before he retired made CPJ so special to us.
 
gtrower said:
Agreed. I don't think there's some conspiracy, and UGA has had the better team most years in the last two decades, but the amount of WTF calls that have cost us games against them is piling up. Defensive PI against us in '04 I think that gave them new life when video showed offensive PI. '06 fumble where the refs were pulling guys off the pile before the ball squirted out and they returned for a TD after the had zero offense. '14 "fumble" after forward progress clearly stopped returned for a TD (at least we recovered from that one).

We've sure had some big calls go against us with VT too. But a lot of our issues with them have been self-inflicted wounds.

Against Clemson, the only egregious call was the fumble at the goalline where the whole stadium could see the offsides. I still remember watching the call of the game on youtube later "wow he was in there fast. Oh, that's why." Other than that I remember them complaining about phantom holding calls in both games in '09 but don't think I ever went back to look for them.
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Just as egregious in 2014, I went back and rewatched the game on the blocked kick and extra point (in overtime). Ray Drew came over the top of the long snapper immediately on both plays and it wasn't called. I forget, but there may have been a third one... I just remember thinking no way in hell does one guy block more than one kick in a game, and I was right.
 
HelluvaChemE said:
Just as egregious in 2014, I went back and rewatched the game on the blocked kick and extra point (in overtime). Ray Drew came over the top of the long snapper immediately on both plays and it wasn't called. I forget, but there may have been a third one... I just remember thinking no way in hell does one guy block more than one kick in a game, and I was right.
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Their fake FG would have gotten stopped short of not for a bad hold by their TE on Golden. Fortunately IJ chased him down and our defense stopped them again.
 
HelluvaChemE said:
Just as egregious in 2014, I went back and rewatched the game on the blocked kick and extra point (in overtime). Ray Drew came over the top of the long snapper immediately on both plays and it wasn't called. I forget, but there may have been a third one... I just remember thinking no way in hell does one guy block more than one kick in a game, and I was right.
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The game tying field goal they came over the top, too. They missed a block by about an inch or two. Wasn't called.
 
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