CPJ coached at Hawaii for 8 years

ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
Man, it's like you think CPJ's passing game concepts are different between Hawaii and Tech.
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http://www.footballxos.com/download/1995-hawaii-option-offense-paul-johnson-pdf/?wpdmdl=4024&ind=0

His Hawaii playbook has several pages of TE Formations.

We don't have a TE on our roster.

Sooo......

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ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
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Section 7 and beyond is our playbook. How are you proving your point? You're still all over the place. You hate CPJ's passing scheme but want him to implement more of it.

K.
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I'm all over the place? You lamely attempted to make me look wrong with your asinine "Man, it's like you think CPJ's passing game concepts are different between Hawaii and Tech." comment. They are different - we don't even have the position players on the roster to run several pages of that playbook. The 1995 HI team completed 130+ passes using that playbook, which is weak AF but better than the 43 we completed in 2017.

How difficult is this for you to understand? I can Not-Like CPJ running the same stupid Hail Mary Post Pattern Bomb over and over again while simultaneously hoping for more variety in the passing game.

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RamblinWreck92 said:
No, spent the year bitching about the lack of passing and variety when we did. Am now spending the off-season continuing to bitch about said lack and why he won't incorporate more variety, Hawaii-style.

Try to keep up, kid.
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He works with what he's got. Taquan is not a passer. He's not a pitcher. He's really just a runner. He was apparently the best option. That's why the offense sucked.

He tried to put pistol in place for Vad. Vad experiment didn't pan out because OL sucked, WRs sucked, Vad sucked.

If we have a true dual threat quarterback he'll open up the book more. More balanced the offense is the better.

I'm hoping he'll be less stubborn about the quarterback situation next season after watching Saban putting in a true freshman qb to beat uga in the final. And I'm hoping one of those other kids is really good.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
I'm all over the place? You lamely attempted to make me look wrong with your asinine "Man, it's like you think CPJ's passing game concepts are different between Hawaii and Tech." comment. They are different - we don't even have the position players on the roster to run several pages of that playbook. The 1995 HI team completed 130+ passes using that playbook, which is weak AF but better than the 43 we completed in 2017.

How difficult is this for you to understand? I can Not-Like CPJ running the same stupid Hail Mary Post Pattern Bomb over and over again while simultaneously hoping for more variety in the passing game.
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They're not different from a protection, route tree, schematic point of view. That's the point I'm trying to get you to understand. The lack of TE on the roster doesn't matter for what we're speaking of. His passing playbook is the same as it was at Hawaii. It's the same Run-N-Shoot concepts across its pass pro, routes, etc.

That's why you sound so bizarre. He uses the same philosophy and concepts at Tech as he did in Hawaii. So, you blasting his scheme and asking for more of it is still bizarre to me.

Also, you are aware we run plays with TEs from time to time, right?
 
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ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
They're not different from a protection, route tree, schematic point of view. That's the point I'm trying to get you to understand. The lack of TE on the roster doesn't matter for what we're speaking of. His passing playbook is the same as it was at Hawaii. It's the same Run-N-Shoot concepts across its pass pro, routes, etc.

That's why you sound so bizarre. He uses the same philosophy and concepts at Tech as he did in Hawaii. So, you blasting his scheme and asking for more of it is still bizarre to me.

Also, you are aware we run plays with TEs from time to time, right?
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I admittedly didn't watch any of the Jax ST game nor large chunks of Wake Forest and Pitt so if these magical plays occurred during those games, I missed 'em. I didn't see anything related to a TE pattern nor completion of any sort in TENN, UM, UNC, Clemson, UVA, Puke, VPI, nor mutt games. I've not seen such patterns in recent memory on a GT-PJ-coached team. Our pass plays are either WR Post patterns or variations of wheel routes. The nice little 2 WR-split set endzone TD to Jeune against the mutts sticks out as an outlier but also proof that mixing it up works.

Your defense of an offensive scheme that completed 43 passes is bizarre. You should take the "We didn't have the talent to do that" angle that others are taking - at least they are presenting a real argument backed by facts rather than the bizarre assertions you're making.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
I admittedly didn't watch any of the Jax ST game nor large chunks of Wake Forest and Pitt so if these magical plays occurred during those games, I missed 'em. I didn't see anything related to a TE pattern nor completion of any sort in TENN, UM, UNC, Clemson, UVA, Puke, VPI, nor mutt games. I've not seen such patterns in recent memory on a GT-PJ-coached team. Our pass plays are either WR Post patterns or variations of wheel routes. The nice little 2 WR-split set endzone TD to Jeune against the mutts sticks out as an outlier but also proof that mixing it up works.

Your defense of an offensive scheme that completed 43 passes is bizarre. You should take the "We didn't have the talent to do that" angle that others are taking - at least they are presenting a real argument backed by facts rather than the bizarre assertions you're making.
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Unless we have hard calls where CPJ wants to exploit something he sees on the fly (e.g., Vandy 2009, UGA 2016, etc.), those "boring routes" are option routes straight out of the Run-N-Shoot philosophy. Most often, they're post snap reads by the QB, WRs and A-Backs. Based on coverage and post-snap action of the defense, it's something they can change on the fly during the play.

We do have formations where a WR or Aback lines up as a TE, and I've seen us both run and throw out of it.

I'm not defending anything. We sucked throwing the ball last year. For the first time in a long time, our suckage couldn't be totally blamed on the OL either. TQ is not a QB at this level. We can't have a QB with such poor arm talent and beat the teams we want to beat.
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
:lol2:

Spends the year bitching about CPJ's passing system.
Spends the off-season wanting CPJ to dedicate more of it to the game-plan.


Oh, off-season, while still so young, you're growing up before our very eyes.
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