Criticism of the coaching staff

Dirty Jacket

Dirty Jacket

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I love Brent Key. He is the man for this job at this exact moment in time. And I trust that what I’m typing out here is already in motion.

Brent needs to lean on the refs more during the games. The targeting that wasn’t called, he should have been hounding them to look at it. If they refuse, which seems like they did, he should have spent a time out there and rode their asses about it til they did. They probably would have ruled no targeting because there is no accountability but it would have exposed the fraud even more.

Brent should have challenged the tipped pass PI if the refs wouldn’t look at it themselves.

We need to look at our defensive philosophy when we have a lead late. The prevent is silly, especially when our strength has been disrupting the QB at the line. It expedited the demise last night, nearly allowed Miami back into the game, and gave the lead up against NCST.

This is the time I’m really hoping he gets on the phone with his mentors, specifically Saban since he’s been in the modern game, and asks for harsh criticism.

I really think the next leap as a program comes when Brent’s in game coaching takes the next step. I don’t think he’s bad per se, but it’s his weakness at the moment. His ability to organize a solid game plan during the week is his strength.

Go Jackets.
 
Dirty Jacket said:
Brent needs to lean on the refs more during the games. The targeting that wasn’t called, he should have been hounding them to look at it. If they refuse, which seems like they did, he should have spent a time out there and rode their asses about it til they did. They probably would have ruled no targeting because there is no accountability but it would have exposed the fraud even more.

Brent should have challenged the tipped pass PI if the refs wouldn’t look at it themselves.
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Challenges are generally very low percentage plays in college because every play is reviewed anyway.

In the first half it may be worth doing what you're saying to try to influence the refs, but I'm not sure it's worth burning a second half timeout.

Had we been able to convert the fourth down at the end regulation, that timeout could have won it for us.
 
andrew said:
Challenges are generally very low percentage plays in college because every play is reviewed anyway.

In the first half it may be worth doing what you're saying to try to influence the refs, but I'm not sure it's worth burning a second half timeout.

Had we been able to convert the fourth down at the end regulation, that timeout could have won it for us.
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If every play is reviewed, then how could they not see the targeting and the tipped ball DPI?
 
Some things are not reviewable
 
Dirty Jacket said:
I love Brent Key. He is the man for this job at this exact moment in time. And I trust that what I’m typing out here is already in motion.

Brent needs to lean on the refs more during the games. The targeting that wasn’t called, he should have been hounding them to look at it. If they refuse, which seems like they did, he should have spent a time out there and rode their asses about it til they did. They probably would have ruled no targeting because there is no accountability but it would have exposed the fraud even more.

Brent should have challenged the tipped pass PI if the refs wouldn’t look at it themselves.

We need to look at our defensive philosophy when we have a lead late. The prevent is silly, especially when our strength has been disrupting the QB at the line. It expedited the demise last night, nearly allowed Miami back into the game, and gave the lead up against NCST.

This is the time I’m really hoping he gets on the phone with his mentors, specifically Saban since he’s been in the modern game, and asks for harsh criticism.

I really think the next leap as a program comes when Brent’s in game coaching takes the next step. I don’t think he’s bad per se, but it’s his weakness at the moment. His ability to organize a solid game plan during the week is his strength.

Go Jackets.
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Santucci, who has been a great DC otherwise, needs to totally ditch the prevent defense, or anything similar to it. It almost cost us the Duke and NCSU games, and it definitely turned the tables against us last night. And Buster needs to study 2-point conversions and what does and doesn't usually work.
 
Supersize that order mutt said:
If every play is reviewed, then how could they not see the targeting and the tipped ball DPI?
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The targeting I believe they did review. They reviewed the play overall for sure, anyway. They confirmed it after the commercial break ended

As to why it wasn't called, take your pick between SEC corruption and the "no one knows what targeting really is" that we use when watching neutral games (or Efford's hit against ncsu).

For the tipped ball, with the one replay they showed on TV I didn't see it. Everyone says it was obviously tipped but no one seems to be able to provide a replay showing it.
 
andrew said:
The targeting I believe they did review. They reviewed the play overall for sure. As to why it wasn't called, take your pick between SEC corruption and the "no one knows what targeting really is" that we use when watching neutral games (or Efford's hit against ncsu).

For the tipped ball, with the one replay they showed on TV I didn't see it. Everyone says it was obviously tipped but no one seems to be able to provide a replay showing it.
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I have seen a replay, when you could see a hand touch the ball in flight. It didn't stop the spiral or the overall trajectory, but a hand was definitely on it. I guess it would take a microscopic view to be absolutely sure.
 
If you are reviewing the tip in order to establish PI, I don't think it's permissible. Maybe I'm wrong
 
Definitely agree on the soft coverage late in the game. I understand we were in a tough spot given all the injuries in the secondary, but we made it too easy for them to come down the field quickly in the 4th quarter after playing awesome defense for 3 quarters.
 
andrew said:
The targeting I believe they did review. They reviewed the play overall for sure, anyway. They confirmed it after the commercial break ended

As to why it wasn't called, take your pick between SEC corruption and the "no one knows what targeting really is" that we use when watching neutral games (or Efford's hit against ncsu).

For the tipped ball, with the one replay they showed on TV I didn't see it. Everyone says it was obviously tipped but no one seems to be able to provide a replay showing it.
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andrew said:
Thanks for the link. Maybe I'm missing it but I don't see clear and indisputable evidence that the ball was tipped. I don't think that's getting overturned regardless of teams/refs involved.
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Yeah, I’m not entirely convinced there was enough evidence. I just thought it was a soft PI call to begin with.

I will probably never go back and rewatch, but I did feel like we got away with a false start on the very first drive. Otherwise though, the reffing definitely seemed to favor them.
 
Deke said:
Yeah, I’m not entirely convinced there was enough evidence. I just thought it was a soft PI call to begin with.

I will probably never go back and rewatch, but I did feel like we got away with a false start on the very first drive. Otherwise though, the reffing definitely seemed to favor them.
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Yeah I felt it was a 50/50 call. I've seen that go uncalled but there was definitely contact before the ball got there.

I also won't go back and rewatch. My impression while watching was that it was a pretty clean game, although someone did show one pretty egregious missed hold on them.
 
where are we talking about the decisions made in the last 60 secs of the game? is there a thread for that yet?
 
andrew said:
Yeah I felt it was a 50/50 call. I've seen that go uncalled but there was definitely contact before the ball got there.

I also won't go back and rewatch. My impression while watching was that it was a pretty clean game, although someone did show one pretty egregious missed hold on them.
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Felt like the refs were letting that level of contact go all game up until that point, then called that one at a pretty critical juncture. To be fair, they also called the one on the dwags in OT, but I don't think the game ever gets to that point if they applied the same threshold for a penalty on the 4th & goal that they'd been applying all game.
 
That’s a good one. Should have reviewed for the tipped pass. Considering we basically had a timeout left, not a bad idea.

The game clock management at the end of regulation was mine. The first run by king, I get it. Trying to get a positive play. Should have called the TO. We seemed content to go to OT when we are less deep and less likely to win the longer it goes on.

In the second overtime calling for kicking the extra point. I know it seems dumb but that tells me that he was kind of on autopilot and just reacting.


Nothing really crazy and it’s easy for me to say on the couch and drinking beer. But with our coach before last being a master of game situations to the last idiot we had, Brent is firmly in the middle. I think that is just part of the growing pains of being a newer HC.

Outside of game situations, our number one priority needs to be getting the kicking game right. We can’t be a grind it out, keep away team and miss FG and boot 35 yard punts and fair catch kickoffs inside the 5. We probably are a 1-2 game swing if we had elite ST play. Unlike D, we can make the most improvements here without having to recruit a bunch of studs.
 
Only criticisms are:

Not going for two first OT.

Not having a better play on the short OT go for two. We need an under center, fullback, and tailback jumbo set

Playing three down linemen when up 14 in the 4th, not applying pressure
 
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