After The Theft, the clock started running before the next snap. Since it was a double turnover, shouldn't the clock not run until the next play begins? I know it didn't affect anything, but it would be troublesome that the refs didn't enforce the rules correctly. If anyone out there knows the correct ruling, I'd love to hear it.
Did ACC refs make another mistake?
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I believe you're correct. Consider that we got an extra set of downs due to the play, it's being treated as a turnover.
But then again, in the past two years the NCAA has really messed around with the clock rules so who knows what's correct now.
But then again, in the past two years the NCAA has really messed around with the clock rules so who knows what's correct now.
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We got a first down on the change of possession. Yes, the clock should have stopped unless there's actually a rule about two fumbles on the same play. Now, if they just considered it a first down for the offense, it would stop until the ball is placed and chains moved.
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After reading only the title of the thread, my answer is yes...
*reading post*
like I said, it's a shame that we know more about the rules than these idiots. In no other conference is there this much corruption and fault with the refs than in the ACC.
*reading post*
like I said, it's a shame that we know more about the rules than these idiots. In no other conference is there this much corruption and fault with the refs than in the ACC.
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Except maybe the SEC...
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I think the first down doesn't matter in this case, but the change of possession matters. I forgot if the clock stops or runs during a change of possession, someone can look it up.
If I remember correctly, when we kneeled on 4th down against ugag last year, the clock didn't stop. That was a change of possession and first down for ugag, so it looks like clock keeps running after a change of possession unless there is a TV timeout.
If I remember correctly, when we kneeled on 4th down against ugag last year, the clock didn't stop. That was a change of possession and first down for ugag, so it looks like clock keeps running after a change of possession unless there is a TV timeout.
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They enacted a bunch of new clock rules 2 years ago, and the clock running after a change of possession may have been one. However, the clock still stops after every first down because they have to reset the chains (unless you're in a close game with UNC).
I'm trying to find the rule about change of possession, although I'm pretty sure it was changed back so that it stops. As for the UGA game, if you look at the clock on the final kneel, the clock was at 0:01 before we snapped the ball, and the clock didn't quite start on time. Clearly, Josh took his time in kneeling, so that was probably the reason it looked like the clock ran after the play.
I did find this, so maybe this is why the clock started:
When the clock has been stopped for any of the following incidents, it
will start on the signal by the referee [S2] (A.R. 7-3-2-I and A.R. 7-3-7-
II):
1. When Team A is awarded a first down either by penalty or as the
result of the play (Exception: After a legal kick down).
When the clock has been stopped for any of the following incidents, it
will start on the signal by the referee [S2] (A.R. 7-3-2-I and A.R. 7-3-7-
II):
1. When Team A is awarded a first down either by penalty or as the
result of the play (Exception: After a legal kick down).
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I think the relevant rule is Section 3, Article 2, paragraph d, item 3:
d. Starts on the Snap. For each of the following, the game clock is stopped. If the next play begins with a snap, the game clock will start on the snap:
1. Touchback.
2. With fewer than two minutes remaining in a half a Team A ball carrier, fumble or backward pass is ruled out of bounds. (Exception: After a Team A forward fumble, the clock starts on the referee’s signal.)
3. Team B is awarded a first down and will next snap the ball (A.R. 3-3-2-VI).
4. A forward pass is ruled incomplete.
5. A team is granted a charged timeout (A.R. 3-3-4-I-IV).
6. The ball becomes illegal.
7. Violation of a rule for mandatory equipment (Rule 1-4-4) or illegal equipment (Rule 1-4-5).
"Team A" is the team in possession at the start of the play (GT). "Team B" is the defending team at the start of the play (FSU). Since the play started and ended with GT as "Team A", the clock does not stop based on change of possession. It should have stopped long enough to move the chains.
http://www.ncaapublications.com/Upl..._5_2204c0005d-845f-4813-8391-54f15136079d.pdf
d. Starts on the Snap. For each of the following, the game clock is stopped. If the next play begins with a snap, the game clock will start on the snap:
1. Touchback.
2. With fewer than two minutes remaining in a half a Team A ball carrier, fumble or backward pass is ruled out of bounds. (Exception: After a Team A forward fumble, the clock starts on the referee’s signal.)
3. Team B is awarded a first down and will next snap the ball (A.R. 3-3-2-VI).
4. A forward pass is ruled incomplete.
5. A team is granted a charged timeout (A.R. 3-3-4-I-IV).
6. The ball becomes illegal.
7. Violation of a rule for mandatory equipment (Rule 1-4-4) or illegal equipment (Rule 1-4-5).
"Team A" is the team in possession at the start of the play (GT). "Team B" is the defending team at the start of the play (FSU). Since the play started and ended with GT as "Team A", the clock does not stop based on change of possession. It should have stopped long enough to move the chains.
http://www.ncaapublications.com/Upl..._5_2204c0005d-845f-4813-8391-54f15136079d.pdf