Did we not learn anything from Flunkgate?

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I'd take those quotes in the AJC with a grain of salt.

Most people understand that quotes are bits and pieces of what someone says and can be written out of context.

I'm not saying that's what happened here, because I don't know. What I'm saying is more times than not quotes in papers are not the end and God's truth to what was actually said.
 
GTTerrific said:
I'd take those quotes in the AJC with a grain of salt.

Most people understand that quotes are bits and pieces of what someone says and can be written out of context.

I'm not saying that's what happened here, because I don't know. What I'm saying is more times than not quotes in papers are not the end and God's truth to what was actually said.
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Bravo! I could not agree more.

It seems as if much of the fanbase has already reached their own (predetermined) conclusions.

We all would do well to keep an open mind until more facts come out...Mike
 
I find it difficult to believe that any well prepared student even a football player could drop from a high C grade to failing in one of these courses. I am left to believe that they either:

A. had low C or worse grades going into the final

B. that they just did not prepare for the test and got a ridiculously low grade (sub-50)

C. they did not show up for the exam at all
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Right. So if both players said "screw it" and didn't study during dead week for whatever reason, and flunked their finals.. ..there's not a lot a football coach can do about that. Case B or Case C.

If this is the case, then explain Chan's quote in the original message. Straight from the horse's mouth, he admits to being unaware of the problem and consequently not taking all the steps possible to help correct the problem because of the oversight.
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Perhaps he was unaware of the "problem" because there was no prior indication of the "problem," because it was Case B or Case C instead of Case A from your list.

I'm not saying I know what happened. I AM saying that since flunkgate the academic performace of our football team has been as high as it ever has been in my memory. Is it perfect? Nope. But it's certainly not 11 players flunking out of school, and it's certainly not NCAA sanctionable, and from a fan's perspective we only lost one talented player to it anyway.

Furthermore, JT, I think you need to understand Chan's "buck stops with me" mentality. He always takes responsibility for everything in every press conference. Every time we lose, he takes the blame, whether it was his fault or not. Would you prefer we had Amato for a coach?

Perhaps you'd have been happier if Chan said, "Yeah, well it's not my fault Reggie's a dumbass." ..?
 
I don't hold the coaches

responsible for this at all. Maybe Chan should choose his words more wisely when being quoted since so many folks want to dissect every phrase to try to pin this on him.

Geez, these guys were SENIORS. How much hand-holding should a coach have to do at that point to make sure they go to class and study??
 
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GTHunter said:
Maybe Chan should choose his words more wisely when being quoted since so many folks want to dissect every phrase to try to pin this on him. quote]

Hunter, what GTTeriffic and JOJAKT posted is correct and if you don't want to believe them, believe me ,someone with more than 40 years in the media, they will quote whatever makes the point and sometime it dosen't reflect what was actually said or meant when taken out of context.
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Ricky -

"Hunter, what GTTeriffic and JOJAKT posted is correct and if you don't want to believe them, believe me ,someone with more than 40 years in the media, they will quote whatever makes the point and sometime it dosen't reflect what was actually said or meant when taken out of context."

I don't doubt you guys at all.

I still just think this gaff lies more at the players feet than any of the coaches.
 
Re: Ricky -

GTHunter said:
"Hunter, what GTTeriffic and JOJAKT posted is correct and if you don't want to believe them, believe me ,someone with more than 40 years in the media, they will quote whatever makes the point and sometime it dosen't reflect what was actually said or meant when taken out of context."

I don't doubt you guys at all.

I still just think this gaff lies more at the players feet than any of the coaches.
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It does, but those with an agenda are using it to bash the coach. I fear that they will undermine him enough to get their wish and we'll look like Alabama floundering around finding a new coach when the last one did nothing but win most of the time in a tough environment. I'm sure looking forward to B___ L____ part II.

I'm still not sure that Chan is the right guy, but as long as we post winning records, I don't think we have the cache to lure a top coach. The constant sniping on trumped up charges only serves to further tear the fan base apart and DOES NOT HELP GT in any way.
 
Horsepoop!

Chan Gailey is an idiot for not seeing this a mile down the stretch. No excuse.

Gailey is an idiot.
 
Gnats,

What information are you using to come to your conclusion? A player stays eligible for almost 4 years and Chan should expect problems? Do you know what the advisers told Gailey about Ball's database management class in which Ball has said he expected a B?

You are one of those not only undermining the football program, but also the AD. It is DRad's job to determine if Chan received information from the AA and academia that a problem was looming. It is also his job to decide if Chan acted properly to the inputs given. DRad has access to the correct data, unlike either of us. So calling Gailey an idiot reflects more on your bias and not on the reality of the situation.
 
gnats67 said:
Horsepoop!

Chan Gailey is an idiot for not seeing this a mile down the stretch. No excuse.

Gailey is an idiot.
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Well stated. :biggthumpup:


"We would have probably been able to look at some things to help them a little bit better down toward the end of the semester if we realized they were in this situation," Gailey said.
 
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Why gnats? Where's your evidence? If Reggie was in good standing but failed to get a paper in (as seems to be the case) how would the coaches know this was coming? Based on his comment, if that paper had received any kind of grade, he would have made his 2.0.

Even if he never really sent it, I don't know how anyone would have known about it to be able to do anything.
 
Horsepoop!

Chan Gailey is an idiot for not seeing this a mile down the stretch. No excuse.

Gailey is an idiot.
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For not seeing what? That Reggie was going to turn in some group project work late?

You're speaking nonsense.
 
Geetee said:
Well stated. :biggthumpup:


"We would have probably been able to look at some things to help them a little bit better down toward the end of the semester if we realized they were in this situation," Gailey said.
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There is no question Geetee, you have zero facts in front of you, yet you support those who have the same level of information. If your assumptions are correct, the coach will be punished properly by the AD. If you think you are more intelligent and informed than the two of them, then you are an IDIOT!!! You will find that using reason instead of emotion is what makes a man instead of the little Swofford like girl that you appear to be.:D
 
this is hilarious... simply saying "well stated" and show Gailey's very own quote on the matter... yet, you prefer to take it out on little ol me. That Gailey quote must have struck a nerve or something. ;)
 
I rode a very different M train back in my day, and had no group work classes. Reading some other's posts about getting shafted gradewise by group members comments to professors, is it possible that his group could have gone to bat for Reggie? I guess it is equally likely that his "team" could have sunk him too.

Again, I never enjoyed the dynamics of group work while at Tech, and don't know how the grading works. Did all of Reggie's group suffer, or could he have been singled out?
 
Geetee said:
this is hilarious... simply saying "well stated" and show Gailey's very own quote on the matter... yet, you prefer to take it out on little ol me. That Gailey quote must have struck a nerve or something. ;)
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You're an easy target:FIREdevil: . The Gailey quote was that he did not have correct information late enough to do something about it. That doesn't make him an idiot, which you quoted and supported. It also serves no purpose in the larger scheme. If Gailey screwed up, then it is DRad's job to fix it.

It is equally likely that the administrative staff did not inform him fully as that he knew RB was in trouble. Even RB did not think he was close to getting the D in Database Management. If you look at the larger picture, you will see that Reggie thought he deserved a B and was probably at a C or better.

Can you coherently explain how that is the coach's fault? Should he be testing RB's girlfriend for STD's too?

If you want to bash Gailey on football record or recruiting, make your point with facts to back it up. The fact that you are searching for points like the Gailey quote tells me that you are reaching for any issue that you can. You are intent on destroying the football program, but aren't intelligent enough to see the real effects of what you are trying to do. WE ARE NOT GOING TO FIRE A 9 WIN COACH, so why do you continue to undermine our school's support? Chan may not be the best candidate for the job, but he isn't an idiot like you.
 
Guys, there is no "warning" for turning in your group work late and getting a zero on it. If that is indeed what happened, which isn't particularly farfetched, then it was impossible for Gailey to be on top of that.

Impossible.
 
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