Didn't one of dipshits think Art Briles deserved a shot?

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  1. TampaBayJacket

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    Yay, lets make rape about left vs right. I remember a day not so long ago when both sides had morals, just differences in political opinion.
     
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    Both of these things are true.

    1. Baylor had a rotten culture throughout, which predated Briles or even Starr. In this way, it's similar to Michigan State/USA Gymnastics.

    2. Briles showed extremely troubling behavior at many steps, while there is never a smoking gun. These are texts from a court case:

    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/bay...isconduct-football-players-court-record-shows

    Baylor itself has not really come clean IMO either. The Pepper Hamilton report is a vague, 13 page report without specific incidents by specific people. Baylor has said Pepper Hamilton only presented more detailed findings orally to the board. No written, detailed report looks like a blatant attempt to evade discovery. All lawsuits with Baylor have also been settled, not just Briles'. So we just have to go on some early discovery in these cases (i.e. these texts) to evaluate Briles' behavior, plus the vague "football culture" in Pepper Hamilton's brief report.

    In short, even though no smoking gun exists with Briles, he was rightfully declared persona non grata in college football. Everything about his time at Baylor stinks to high heaven.
     
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    Well,dang it.
     
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    Thank you for that link. I am curious to know just how culpable Briles is, so I appreciate this information. I read the article and reviewed the accusations in the pleadings (which of course are not vetted and do not have their credibility tested in any way).

    The reporter's characterization of Briles' communications don't seem impartial. The texts are generally ambiguous (as you might expect of texts which are usually between people who already know each other and hence speaking in shorthand), but the reporter reads them as if they are damning, instead of reading them (as they can be read) more favorably to Briles.

    For example, "When a female student-athlete reported that a football player had brandished a gun at her, the court paperwork said, Briles texted an assistant coach: 'what a fool -- she reporting to authorities.'" But if you read the entire allegation from the pleading, you can see that "she reporting to authorities" is a question. Briles is saying to his colleague, "The player that brandished the gun is a fool; is the lady going to report this to the authorities?" He's not claiming the woman is a fool nor is he aghast that she's reporting it to the authorities.

    Several of the cases where Briles supposedly "did nothing" are cases where the police were already involved (so why would the football coach think he has further investigative duties when the police are already investigating?) or cases where the victim refused to report to the police (should that have any effect on the victim's credibility? – tough question).

    The reporter complains that Briles texted to one of his accused players, WTTE, "We've got your back, we're a family, we support you," even though the reporter then notes that ultimately Briles declined to provide character testimony at trial. That sounds like how you want the coach to act – to be "on the side" of players, and give them the benefit of the doubt at first, but as sufficient evidence rolls in to convince you of their guilt, to withdraw that support.

    Anyhow, I've yet to see anything that shows that Briles would rather cover up a rape than lose a good football player, which is essentially what people casually accuse him of. But if anyone out there has more links that tend to show that, I'd be curious to see them.
     
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    Ha. So did I. I know I voted Leach in round 1A. Monken got the most votes, which is kinda surprising.
     
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    Well he is dead now, so there is that.
     
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    Just the mention of Baylor, sports, and success in a relational story at all is corrupting.
     
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    THIS IS STINGTALK, WHERE THE TRUTH SAYERS ARE A PLENTY.
     
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    How many did he kick off the team. There’s your answer.
     
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    How many did he kick off? I don't know the answer but I know there were at least 2 that I can remember. I remember Tevin Elliott being 'suspended indefinitely' but IIRC there was another one at the same time dismissed.

    Your question, which appears to be tongue in cheek, makes me believe that you thought the answer was zero though.
     
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    Are people still even half way defending this pos schmuck?
     
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    your company have a rule against masturbation?
     
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    Did he successfully masterbate?
     
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    Good point on the phrasing, though even in that context it sounds like some hope that she wouldn't go to the authorities.

    He does not seem to have direct culpability in Title IX investigations. It looks he had a very good case against for-cause firing. He also dropped the defamation claim later, which was a separate suit.

    There is some level of willful blindness here, that he knew he equalized Baylor's chances by taking chances other programs wouldn't. So I really cringed when fans want him for FBS jobs. Any FBS job is the very top job among thousands of coaches. Like a CEO who has a big scandal happen without their direct involvement, the scandal becomes bad enough to become disqualifying for new CEO jobs at a certain point.
     
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    Well, I certainly think willful blindness to rape should get you terminated! My point is that the complaints about Briles (and the CEO's you reference) boil down to "where there's smoke, there's fire." While I certainly think that logic justifies not hiring him, I don't think it requires it.
     
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    I agree. Presumption of guilt, especially without evidence, is a founding principal of our country.
     
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