Disappointed in the negative posts here...

:mad:I don't consider the fans outrage at the turn of events here at Tech, un-warranted. We seem to be accepting a mediocre football program. Don't even go to the "look at this years 9-4 record". Take out Troy , Samford , a pitiful Duke team , and an almost as bad North Carolina Team, and a down Miami program filled with thugs, and we are sitting right where CG and PN coached us to be. 4-4. We only had 1 legitimate win against a good team , VA TECH. We got out-coached vitually all season. The ACC as a whole was way down this year. The ACC should be ashamed of this years teams.

It has all been said before but noone seems to listen. We wasted the finest WR in all of college football for three years now. I would not blame him if he left. Ball does not even fathom what it means to loose to UGA six years in a row. He acts like he does'nt even care. How does a head coach stick with a QB with a 66% QB rating in his final year at school? That's QB rating not pass completion percentage. How does a head coach not find a kicker that can kick the ball past the 20 yd line on kickoffs? How does a defensive coordinator watch a punchless and ineffective offense embarrass a program all season long? Let me just say, He won't. He will be gone soon because he has no help from the offense.

I was there all season watching the same things you all saw. I was at the UGA game and I sat in the rain in JAX trying to explain to my 10 year old son why we just can't win against the good teams.

How do you get people to hand over the money year in and year out for season tickets and contributions and support a team that won't support itself? The time for .500 ball and worse is over. There is no reason why we should not expect the very best from GT and get it.

Dissappointed in the negative posts here? Open your eyes next time and stop living in the glory days of Bobby Dodd and get in the present. We are what CG and PN have made us.
 
:mad:I don't consider the fans outrage at the turn of events here at Tech, un-warranted. We seem to be accepting a mediocre football program. Don't even go to the "look at this years 9-4 record". Take out Troy , Samford , a pitiful Duke team , and an almost as bad North Carolina Team, and a down Miami program filled with thugs, and we are sitting right where CG and PN coached us to be. 4-4. We only had 1 legitimate win against a good team , VA TECH. We got out-coached vitually all season. The ACC as a whole was way down this year. The ACC should be ashamed of this years teams.
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If you do this here, then you should do this at every school. Georgia only had two victories, us and Auburn. Virginia Tech only beat Wake Forest and Clemson. Hell, even Florida really only had Tennessee, LSU and Arkansas and tOSU had Texas and Michigan (the Big 10 is extremely down past the top three teams).

Every school plays easy OOC teams, and most play OOC schedules MUCH easier than ND, Samford, Troy and UGA. We beat Maryland and Miami this year, two teams just as good or better than NC State and Virginia last year. Three of our four losses were very close and heart-breaking while only one of wins really came down to the wire (Maryland, although maybe Miami too).
 
buzzgp said:
Dissappointed in the negative posts here? Open your eyes next time and stop living in the glory days of Bobby Dodd and get in the present. We are what CG and PN have made us.
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Excellent post sir. Please keep thinking the way you do!
 
Well you know how to start posting!

Look. there is no answer to counter a post as filled with nonsense and lunacy as the one you typed. You need to head to buzzoff, seriously. I don't really mean that in a bad way. You just fit their mold. You will be happy wallowing in misery with them.

If you are completely incapable of finding a way to enjoy a 9-4 season, then college football is clearly not for you. And college football at GT is going to drive you nuts. If you can somehow rationalize that 9-4 playing on Jan 1 is mediocrity all hope is probably lost for you. I'm serious. You need to find a way to at least not be miserable during 9-4 seasons at GT.

I repeat: If you cannot find a way to at least not be miserable during 9-4 seasons in college football, you need to consider a different 'hobby'.

(You do realize that we keep beating Ralph while on probation with less players. I suppose Md should fire Ralph? And BC should fire O'Brien? What about Bowden at Clemson? Frankly saying Chan is below anyone besides Grobe and Beamer right now is sheer lunacy.)
 
Pocketwatch! Original member, Coalition of the Miserable.

Hey Pocket... rank the ACC coaching staffs for me, warts and all...
 
GTCrew said:
If you cannot find a way to at least not be miserable during 9-4 seasons in college football, you need to consider a different 'hobby'.
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Truth.
 
GTCrew said:
(You do realize that we keep beating Ralph while on probation with less players. I suppose Md should fire Ralph? And BC should fire O'Brien? What about Bowden at Clemson? Frankly saying Chan is below anyone besides Grobe and Beamer right now is sheer lunacy.)
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Maybe you have been in Richmond too long to understand.
Beating little tiny wfu this weekend would have put us on the road to recovery after 11/25, regardless of the fact that no one outside the 2 teams cared about the game.

Why is it so hard to get that if we are going to lose to georgia when the getting is good, we had better beat wf the next weekend. Otherwise, the season's prior victories against very poor acc teams have a very tinny tone to many southern Tech fans. Losing big to clemmons is more acceptable to this Tech fan than losing to wake, at least this year's wake team.

That is just the way it is, and you don't need to slam a new poster to this board just because he doesn't get all fired up over this year's conference wins in lieu of winning the statement games.
 
I repeat: If you cannot find a way to at least not be miserable during 9-4 seasons in college football, you need to consider a different 'hobby'.
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Very true, sir, very true.

This is the source of most of my objections to negative posts. There's only two teams in the country who would have not gotten these negative posts at one point or another during the season: Ohio State and Boise State.

Michigan? Lost to their rival and their coach has lost IIRC 4 out of 5 games against their rival. USC? Also lost to their regional rival and Oregon State, two teams certainly with inferior talent.

It's not that I think we shouldn't critique the coaches. I still think we should put Taylor in against WVU and that Nix should stick with the run longer. However, I refuse to put a gun to my head when we've won nine games and we're headed to one of Tech's few New Year's Day bowls since Bobby Dodd.
 
I'm still waiting for an answer pocket. Which coaches in the ACC are better than Gailey?

Don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.
 
Well, pw, why is getting creamed by Clemson more acceptable than losing to a 10 win Wake team? So their 10 wins don't count? Ridiculous statement. It simply shows a very tenous grasp on reality. It's okay to lose to a "name" team no matter how good/bad they really are, but heaven forbid you lose to a good team with less of a reputation? Genius.

Besides, you get to slam people you want to, why can't someone slam a new poster who they disagree with? Besides, I'm still trying to figure out his ".500 or worse" comment. He clearly isn't paying much attention if that's his take on where the program is.
 
GTCrew said:
I'm still waiting for an answer pocket. Which coaches in the ACC are better than Gailey?

Don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.
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First of all, I didn't rant.

Regarding your question, I didn't know I had to rank the coaches but I will give a quick shot at it.

Grobe wins it hands down for doing most with far less.
Coker comes in last for doing far less with far more.
Beamer is second to Grobe because his team got much better as the season went on. They are now the best team in the conference, and the most respected. Not the feel good wfu team, just most revered.

CG comes in close to the bottom because he couldn't justify the early wins. College football seasons are back loaded in terms of importance, and we failed miserably when it counted. CG spit the bit again.
 
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Well, pw, why is getting creamed by Clemson more acceptable than losing to a 10 win Wake team? So their 10 wins don't count? Ridiculous statement. It simply shows a very tenous grasp on reality.
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Yeah, that didn't come out quite right. What I "think" I meant to say is we were simply outclassed at CU and should have lost that game. On the other hand, we should have beaten wake by 3 touchdowns on Saturday. Not because of a superiority complex, but because of game day opportunities.

The real issue is that there is a line drawn in the sand. On one side stands the folks who staunchly defend the quality and importance of the conference. On the other side are the "others".
 
Say what you want but WAKE is a good team and most of those that I have talked to about the strength or weakness of the ACC this year pretty much agree that the ACC is stronger than 90 and 98 our last 2 conference championships and that the schedules are stronger today.
 
I don't know why there's that line anyway. My take is I wanted to win the conference and I wanted to beat ugag. Hell, for that matter I wanted to beat Clemson. The CU loss hurts less because in the scheme of things it really didn't matter much. It didn't hurt us in the conference and I really didn't think we were going undefeated in the league anyway.

ugag hurts simply because it's ugag and I hate them. Plus we were better than them and should have won the game.

Wake hurts because we should have been playing in the Orange Bowl and we were better than them as well.

But arguing about which hurts more is silly imo. Bottom line is we should be 11-2 with an Orange Bowl berth and be somewhere close to the top 10-12 in the nation.
 
Pocket,

Please RANK all 12 ACC coaches. It should only take a second. Obviously Grobe and Beamer are the class of the league. Both of them have had EXTREMELY stable staffs.

What is 'near the bottom'?

Thanks for the promt answer!

Crew
 
GTCrew said:
Thanks for the promt answer!

Crew
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Sorry for the delae Crew, but what is the point of this?

If I said that CG should be fired after wfu, that was a temper tantrum. There is no way Tech can fire a coach with this type of recruiting class coming in Feb. I don't believe I did, by the way.

However, I don't run my criticism or praise of our coach thru a filter of "what would other acc coaches have done". I don't care because it's impossible to figure out.
Would CG do a better job at dook than T Roof? Who knows!
Would Bobby Bowden have pulled RB in favor of TB? Uh,..yes he would have, but never mind that example.

You have asked at least twice though, so I will happily give you my ACC Coach Ranking for 2006:

1: Grobe
2: Beamer
3: O'Brien
4: Ralph
5: Gailey
6: Bowden, T
7: Roof
8: Bunting
T 9: Amato, Groh
11: Bowden, B
12: Coker

So, CG does crack my top 6. He would have gone much higher if he had pulled the proper switches in the last 1/3 of the season.
 
If I take the same view on our great season as some of you guys , then let's make it even better and move to division II and then we can win every game every year since the only thing that counts is how many Ws are in the column.

It's one thing to loose to teams if your team and coaches give everything they have doing it. It's quite another to see the same ugly mistakes and play calling week in and week out.

Don't get me wrong. I am thrilled we had the season we had and got a new years day bowl , but you can't tell me that our football program is a top tier program functioning the way it has low these many years. Are you gonna tell me that it's a fluke that we now have one of the top Basketball programs in the country. We have been for many years now. Why can't we come to expect the same high level of competition from our football program? Even if the Basketball program has a rough year , we bounce right back. It's coaching, coaching , coaching.
 
This post makes no sense actually. So you feel the basketball program is top tier, why? Becuase of the final 4 run? And then you excuse an 11-17 year as a rough year. But the football program which has had winning seasons for 10 years and just lost the ACCCG isn't?

You're right, much of it is coaching, coaching, coachig. But you may want to check some facts first, because as much as most of us love Hewitt, Chan has a better record at Tech than he does. Chan's overall record to date is 37-26 or a .587 winning percentage. He has never finished below .500 in the ACC. Paul otoh, is 113-85 overall or .571. In the league he is 43-54.
 
Thanks!

First, I feel that number 5 isn't 'near the bottom' and I believe that when you post stuff like that which even you do not believe, it reflects poorly on GT's program and feeds the total idiots who rant on here after losses.

I am a big fan of critiquing the coach, but I am also a big fan of timing it so that it isn't a temper tantrum. After a tough loss or a poor test result, the last thing your child would need is to be berated, slammed and ridiculed. Why do we feel the need to come on here and berate our program at the precise time that it needs support?

Thanks again for what appears to me to be a very fair rating list.
 
The negativity is born out of frustration over what has happened during the last couple of weeks. Many of us, myself included, were certain GT would defeat UGA this year and take care of WF in the ACCCG.

I think if not for the poor performance at the QB position we are sitting at 11-2, with a victory over UGA, an ACC title and an Orange Bowl berth. Reality however, has GT 9-4 and playing in the Gator against an opponent with a high-powered offense that has put 40+ on the board in nine games this year. GT has scored one touchdown in two games, and let's not forget one TD against UNC prior to the Duke game.

Let me break down that last paragraph.

The good:
GT is 9-4
GT is playing in the Gator, a new year's day bowl
GT was four points away from an ACC championship (?)

The bad:
Opportunities to be at 11-2, defeat UGA, win the ACC and play in the Orange, a BCS bowl, were not realised.
The GT offense is having problems putting points on the board while the next opponent apparently is not.
The obvious problems at the QB position.

It's fine to be disappointed by the negative posts, but understand the disappointment that has subdued enthusiasm.

The Gator Bowl is 26 days away and given that time I think a lot of heads will be cleared, frustrations will simmer somewhat, and although problems may still persist, hopefully the Jackets will realize a 10 win season. If not, be prepared for more frustration.
 
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