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I wonder what happened to Donate Smith? Didn't CBK say he was full go and going to play? he was listed co-starter on depth chart.
I think our depth chart is just frozen in time. Maybe that is one of the "attention to detail" things that would give the fans a bit more confidence in the program.

One thing GOL did is he was damn organized and punctual. If GOL said he was going to have the team show up at 1:30 PM for the 3:30 PM kick, you could set your ööööing watch to it when they showed up exactly on time. No sooner. No later. Practices were crisp and organized. Sloppiness was dealt with, sometimes harshly, but deservedly. When GOL was hired by ND, I immediately predicted they would win a natty within a few years, and I still believe they would have. Dumbasses. I wish we had just told him "no biggie, come on back" and let him coach us to retirement.

We just don't have the attention to detail we used to have. Chan's weakness was we couldn't get a QB that was equal to our rivals like UGA. I think we may have finally gotten him when Renfree committed, but it was too late to save Chan's job.

CPJ was more of a mad scientist. A genius. Don't need a play sheet. Need a good QB who can recognize the defensive alignment, adjust to it, make the correct reads on an option. All things being equal, given equal personnel, you really should NEVER lose a ballgame running CPJ's offense with him at the helm. If you were to have put Tim Tebow on our squad for CPJ, we would have run roughshod over our opponents in 2008-2009.

Anyway, we gotta figure out an identity. We are lost.
 

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I think our depth chart is just frozen in time. Maybe that is one of the "attention to detail" things that would give the fans a bit more confidence in the program.

One thing GOL did is he was damn organized and punctual. If GOL said he was going to have the team show up at 1:30 PM for the 3:30 PM kick, you could set your ööööing watch to it when they showed up exactly on time. No sooner. No later. Practices were crisp and organized. Sloppiness was dealt with, sometimes harshly, but deservedly. When GOL was hired by ND, I immediately predicted they would win a natty within a few years, and I still believe they would have. Dumbasses. I wish we had just told him "no biggie, come on back" and let him coach us to retirement.

We just don't have the attention to detail we used to have. Chan's weakness was we couldn't get a QB that was equal to our rivals like UGA. I think we may have finally gotten him when Renfree committed, but it was too late to save Chan's job.

CPJ was more of a mad scientist. A genius. Don't need a play sheet. Need a good QB who can recognize the defensive alignment, adjust to it, make the correct reads on an option. All things being equal, given equal personnel, you really should NEVER lose a ballgame running CPJ's offense with him at the helm. If you were to have put Tim Tebow on our squad for CPJ, we would have run roughshod over our opponents in 2008-2009.

Anyway, we gotta figure out an identity. We are lost.
To me at least, CPJ was a perfectionist. Anal, attentive to every small thing. Especially on the offense, since he was the OC. So if the players messed up on something that he personally had a hand in it royally pissed him off, because he took pride in his work. With how bad these kids are playing I’m just not seeing much pride in the coaches, nor the players for that matter.
 

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I wonder what happened to Donate Smith? Didn't CBK say he was full go and going to play? he was listed co-starter on depth chart.
He got in the game late and caught a pass IIRC.

I watched some of a livestream from KQ last night that suggested that Dontae is coming back from injury and getting limited reps as they work him back in.

JRjr
 

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To me at least, CPJ was a perfectionist. Anal, attentive to every small thing. Especially on the offense, since he was the OC. So if the players messed up on something that he personally had a hand in it royally pissed him off, because he took pride in his work. With how bad these kids are playing I’m just not seeing much pride in the coaches, nor the players for that matter.
"Are you just stupid!?!" - CPJ after one of our OL jumped offsides on a 4th and one in the red zone
 

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In the three possessions after we went up 14-0, we called exactly four running plays combined.
There isn't a commitment to the run from the play calling.
We had 11 rushing attempts - which includes any possible QB scrambles - in the first half, before it got out of hand.
 

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People bashing our running game aren’t looking at the numbers. They’re seeing the stuffs but not acknowledging the gashes. We had both, and that’s how it always is. Dwyer used go go for 1, 3, -2, 4, 2, 40 and average 8.0 ypc.
 

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I think our depth chart is just frozen in time. Maybe that is one of the "attention to detail" things that would give the fans a bit more confidence in the program.

One thing GOL did is he was damn organized and punctual. If GOL said he was going to have the team show up at 1:30 PM for the 3:30 PM kick, you could set your ööööing watch to it when they showed up exactly on time. No sooner. No later. Practices were crisp and organized. Sloppiness was dealt with, sometimes harshly, but deservedly. When GOL was hired by ND, I immediately predicted they would win a natty within a few years, and I still believe they would have. Dumbasses. I wish we had just told him "no biggie, come on back" and let him coach us to retirement.

We just don't have the attention to detail we used to have. Chan's weakness was we couldn't get a QB that was equal to our rivals like UGA. I think we may have finally gotten him when Renfree committed, but it was too late to save Chan's job.

CPJ was more of a mad scientist. A genius. Don't need a play sheet. Need a good QB who can recognize the defensive alignment, adjust to it, make the correct reads on an option. All things being equal, given equal personnel, you really should NEVER lose a ballgame running CPJ's offense with him at the helm. If you were to have put Tim Tebow on our squad for CPJ, we would have run roughshod over our opponents in 2008-2009.

Anyway, we gotta figure out an identity. We are lost.
I watched the UGA Auburn game with the sound off and a few things really stuck out to me with UGA’s defense.

Their players close on the ball faster than our defense reacts. By the time the QB releases the ball, the UGA defense is already closing. Their linebackers are especially fast at recognition. They are well prepared for what the opposing team is trying to do.

They know their assignments and they play very disciplined. Corners and safeties don’t let a receiver off their hip. Linebackers don’t get fooled by who is coming in and out of their zone. Defensive backs are so in tune they let the play flow between zones and don’t get crossed on assignments. No one is wide open. Interior linemen are watching the ball and pushing people around to get in position. Smart does so well taking away the run with his front 7 that it puts a lot of pressure on the passing abilities of the opposing quarterback. Their angles and tackling are also very good.

When UGA plays they don’t play expecting to win, they play expecting to inflict as much punishment as possible. They expect they are going to dominate whoever they line up against every play.

Not sure if anyone here has ever listened to the leaked audio of Kirby Smart’s locker room speech but it’s clear that the coaching staff is highly focused and players are expected to play much more physical than we do. We can compare apples to apples with players and will find they have better players, but comparing apples to apples on coaching also reveals a big gap. CPJ was a master tactician that could eliminate a number of advantages other teams had. We don’t need to get into the clown era. I’m not sure what our current staff’s vision is but I doubt it is what we are seeing. That starts with Key. Scott Cochran probably puts his players through more adversity in a week than most coaches are comfortable doing in a month. He was good enough at his job to get a spot on 60 Minutes. When he was at Alabama, he would take the team through a bruising leg day and then immediately send them out for full contact practice. I’m sure he is doing something similar at Georgia.

All that to say, the player coddling and coaching therapy we saw the past several seasons needs to end if we are going to make serious progress. It’s going to take much more than demoting Thacker.

Kirby Smart NSFW audio:

 

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In the three possessions after we went up 14-0, we called exactly four running plays combined.
There isn't a commitment to the run from the play calling.
We had 11 rushing attempts - which includes any possible QB scrambles - in the first half, before it got out of hand.
Also, I’ve heard a lot that the short hitch passes are an extension of the run game. So look at some of the short passes as equal to run stats.
 

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People bashing our running game aren’t looking at the numbers. They’re seeing the stuffs but not acknowledging the gashes. We had both, and that’s how it always is. Dwyer used go go for 1, 3, -2, 4, 2, 40 and average 8.0 ypc.
Taking off the sacks, and the punt snap gaffe, it was 101 yards on 17 rushing attempts. But that includes any QB scrambles, which are not called run plays.
Or short hitch passes to someone's mom. She likes short hitches.
Our running backs had 48 yards on 10 rushing attempts.
 

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People bashing our running game aren’t looking at the numbers. They’re seeing the stuffs but not acknowledging the gashes. We had both, and that’s how it always is. Dwyer used go go for 1, 3, -2, 4, 2, 40 and average 8.0 ypc.
what does a gash matter if drive ends in a punt? no excuse not to get 3-4 ypc on EVERY carry vs a bowling green opponent.
 

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what does a gash matter if drive ends in a punt? no excuse not to get 3-4 ypc on EVERY carry vs a bowling green opponent.
You’re right in that the goal is to sustain drives until you score. The running game is half of that effort.

It is better to go 1, 4,-2, 2, 20 for a 5.0 ypc than it is to go 1, 3, -2, 1, 3, -2, 4, 40 for a 6.0 ypc. The former has a better chance of helping sustain drive. So yes, I get it.
 

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Taking off the sacks, and the punt snap gaffe, it was 101 yards on 17 rushing attempts. But that includes any QB scrambles, which are not called run plays.
Or short hitch passes to someone's mom. She likes short hitches.
Our running backs had 48 yards on 10 rushing attempts.
48 yards in 10 carries is 4.8 ypc. That’s pretty good overall, but how it plays out is a key, too, as we discussed above. If that’s 40 on one carry and the rest is 8 in 9 carries, that’s horrible.
 

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48 yards in 10 carries is 4.8 ypc. That’s pretty good overall, but how it plays out is a key, too, as we discussed above. If that’s 40 on one carry and the rest is 8 in 9 carries, that’s horrible.
Here’s how it went for the RB:
P1: No runs
P2: Haynes 19
P3: Cooley 1
P4: Haynes -1
P5: Haynes 15, 0
P6: Cooley 2, Haynes 7, 3

1st half: 19, 15, 7, 3, 2, 1, 0, -1 (46 yds, 8 att, 5.8 ypc)

P7: Haynes: -3, 3, 6
P8: None
P9: Haynes 6
P10: None

2nd half: 6, 6, 3, -3 (15 yds, 4 att, 3.8 ypc)

Game: 61 yds, 12 att, 5.0 ypc

RB runs for scrimmage:
2/12: 15+ yards
3/12: 6+ yards
2/12: 3 yards
3/12: 0-3 yards
2/12:

That doesn’t indicate a horrible running game to me. That indicates a game that we passed a lot early, with success, and as again the game got away late. In the middle, it wasn’t the running game, it was sacks, penalties, and turnovers that lost the game.
 

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When the O gets stuffed on back to back runs and turns it over on downs against BG, that’s not some off day issue. They got their asses whipped.
K rect! The BG players figured out late in the 2nd Q they were stronger and could have their way on both sides of the ball with Tech.
 

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K rect! The BG players figured out late in the 2nd Q they were stronger and could have their way on both sides of the ball with Tech.
Definitely on their OL.

Their defense was a 3-4 played the way every team plays a 3-4. We didn't adjust to it. Their DL held blocks and their LBs freed up to make plays. We had nothing installed to counter.
 
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