Espn and more N.I.L BS

[wesgt123]

I think EVERY school should focus on being a better school, than football program. But, that's just me....

Sure I can respect that. It seems it’s a constant issue though. I am just tired of sucking and losing so bad. I’m just a fan. I could care less about grades and academics. That’s just me though lol

 

[aeromech]

Exactly. Having 100 football players on the dole is not going to sully the reputation of our beloved Engineering programs. We need to get over ourselves. Most of the football players major in History, Science and Technology whatever the heck that degree program is. They’ve got no impact on any Engineer coming out of GT unless someday they become the boss.

There is no reason you can't have the top engineering school in the country and the most corrupt winning football program at the same time. Too many people at GT think those things are mutually exclusive.

 

[aeromech]

I think EVERY school should focus on being a better school, than football program. But, that's just me....

Wrong. Every school should try to be the best in whatever it is they do.

 

[77GTFan]

NCAA needs to act now and reasonably. It should be against the rules for any coach or anyone on the school payroll to arrange, offer, distribute or promise NIL income. It should be against the rules for the school to receive any funds for NIL and distribute them to athletes. Any proof that a school or coach violates these rules should lead to long term suspension for the coach and probation or death penalty for the school. Any pay for the student athlete from a booster should be for name,image or likeness. Paying for playing should be against the rules. Paying for using the players name, image and likeness is acceptable and a private agreement with an individual athlete.

This way no school could promise guaranteed incomes for players. It keeps schools focused on getting athletes to commit and granting them a scholarship. Then, what the athlete can get for use of name, image and likeness is theirs to enjoy and keep, no business of the school or NCAA.

Pay attention that Saban and the SEC want the schools to be more involved in the distribution of NIL money. He suggests Alabama receiving all of the money and distributing it equally. He knows the more schools can control this the better for the big boys. The Bama’s and Texas A&M’s can pay everyone six figures a year easily. But, the great player might go to a different school if the player can sell his NIL to a company or even alum if the schools and coaches stay out of it.

 

[gtg970g]

I guarantee that if they start cracking down on something we’re going to get shafted. Kid gets paid despite missing Waffle House photo shoot and we’ll lose schollies and have a multi year postseason ban.

 

[gambler]

NCAA needs to act now and reasonably. It should be against the rules for any coach or anyone on the school payroll to arrange, offer, distribute or promise NIL income. It should be against the rules for the school to receive any funds for NIL and distribute them to athletes. Any proof that a school or coach violates these rules should lead to long term suspension for the coach and probation or death penalty for the school. Any pay for the student athlete from a booster should be for name,image or likeness. Paying for playing should be against the rules. Paying for using the players name, image and likeness is acceptable and a private agreement with an individual athlete.

This way no school could promise guaranteed incomes for players. It keeps schools focused on getting athletes to commit and granting them a scholarship. Then, what the athlete can get for use of name, image and likeness is theirs to enjoy and keep, no business of the school or NCAA.

Pay attention that Saban and the SEC want the schools to be more involved in the distribution of NIL money. He suggests Alabama receiving all of the money and distributing it equally. He knows the more schools can control this the better for the big boys. The Bama’s and Texas A&M’s can pay everyone six figures a year easily. But, the great player might go to a different school if the player can sell his NIL to a company or even alum if the schools and coaches stay out of it.

I understand what you're getting at but the schools will just do this under another guise to avoid penalty. NIL and amateur can not co-exist. Either the players are making money from the sport they play, be it salary, bonus, endorsement etc. which makes them professionals, or they don't.

There is no reason college athletes should be paid. All the arguments were stupid from the beginning. Colleges probably shouldn't be for profit either, especially state schools, but that is another topic.

If Jimmy wants to get paid, go to the NFL out of high school....oh that's right they won't because all 18 yr olds would get destroyed at the pro level.

 

[aeromech]

I understand what you're getting at but the schools will just do this under another guise to avoid penalty. NIL and amateur can not co-exist. Either the players are making money from the sport they play, be it salary, bonus, endorsement etc. which makes them professionals, or they don't.

There is no reason college athletes should be paid. All the arguments were stupid from the beginning. Colleges probably shouldn't be for profit either, especially state schools, but that is another topic.

If Jimmy wants to get paid, go to the NFL out of high school....oh that's right they won't because all 18 yr olds would get destroyed at the pro level.

I agree with most of this, except the high school direct to NFL route. If the NFL wants to pay a high school student to be on a scout team/developmental squad, let them. Same with freshmen and the like, no more gentlemen's agreement about not drafting or otherwise signing anyone. Players should be allowed to jump to the NFL mid-season if they can.

Also, I think maybe you are confusing for profit schools (like University of Phoenix) with profit making college athletic departments. I don't think those entities are financially linked. I don't think any state schools are considered "for profit" regardless of how much money the athletic department pulls in.

 

[gambler]

I agree with most of this, except the high school direct to NFL route. If the NFL wants to pay a high school student to be on a scout team/developmental squad, let them. Same with freshmen and the like, no more gentlemen's agreement about not drafting or otherwise signing anyone. Players should be allowed to jump to the NFL mid-season if they can.

Also, I think maybe you are confusing for profit schools (like University of Phoenix) with profit making college athletic departments. I don't think those entities are financially linked. I don't think any state schools are considered "for profit" regardless of how much money the athletic department pulls in.

We don't disagree at all. I was saying the NFL won't pay high schoolers to be on their rosters because they don't get any value out of it. You won't see the falcons picking up a kid for 1mil a year hoping he can bulk up and run the playbook yet that is happening in college now.

Yeah I should have clarified I'm referring to athletic profits. Hopefully that southern new Hampshire university doesn't start trying to field a team anytime soon.

 

[00Burdell]

I wonder about stuff like...

Can an NIL contract have a "No Portal" clause in which the player agrees not to leave the school?

What happens in the absence of such a clause where the player accepts an upfront payment then transfers?

What is there to stop a player executing an NIL contract with a booster of a different school? I represent GT as a booster but want Gibbs to pose in front of Waffle House - you get the picture. Or a dwag booster executes an NIL with Gibbs then let's it be known that if he doesn't transfer to the dwags, the sponsor will kill the contract (all off the record, of course). I'm guessing this is what happened with Addison at Pitt and the other receiver from Boston College. How can stuff like this be prohibited. You can't tell a kid that he can only accept endorsements from boosters of the school he attended.

And doesn't each state have an age requirement to sign a contract? What if its 21 where the kid lives and goes to HS but 18 in a state where he is offered an NIL to attend a college in that state? So he signs in the 18 state but then transfers back to a school in the 21 state? Is the contract enforceable??

I'm glad I'm not in charge of figuring this out.

 

[Nehru Jacket]

Wrong. Every school should try to be the best in whatever it is they do.

I agree. The University of Alabama gives degrees but they are known for football. Kentucky and Kansas are known for basketball. The degree you earn at all of the schools are still valid however, they are “known” for other things. A degree from Georgia Tech is not diminished by a good football team anymore than a degree from Alabama is enhanced by a good football team. They are separate things.

 

[BeeStorm]

NIL and player portal have killed CFB.

 

[Jmonty71]

Wrong. Every school should try to be the best in whatever it is they do.

Every school should try their best to lower their admissions, so the really good, but dumb players, can play??? The issue is, there are a lot of schools that "do it" wrong, just to win football games.

 

[covingtonjacket]

I agree. The University of Alabama gives degrees but they are known for football. Kentucky and Kansas are known for basketball. The degree you earn at all of the schools are still valid however, they are “known” for other things. A degree from Georgia Tech is not diminished by a good football team anymore than a degree from Alabama is enhanced by a good football team. They are separate things.

I totally agree. In no way will a successful athletic department harm the school. The dead horse I beat on here though is the admissions process. We sacrifice having alumni who care about sports and will stay in Georgia and remain connected to the school for **slightly** better admissions statistics. We admit the students who would rather be in the library than go to the game and then we're all shocked that our alumni base will not expend the funds/effort to be successful at football or athletics generally. We are shooting ourselves in the foot for (as best I can tell) no discernible benefit.

 

[BrentwoodJacket]

I totally agree. In no way will a successful athletic department harm the school. The dead horse I beat on here though is the admissions process. We sacrifice having alumni who care about sports and will stay in Georgia and remain connected to the school for **slightly** better admissions statistics. We admit the students who would rather be in the library than go to the game and then we're all shocked that our alumni base will not expend the funds/effort to be successful at football or athletics generally. We are shooting ourselves in the foot for (as best I can tell) no discernible benefit.

The current admission policy hurts not only our athletic programs but the state of Georgia and the United States. Admitting a Chinese student who will work for the CCP after graduation is self-defeating. I have no problem with American students with Chinese heritage or with Taiwanese students. However, I am developing an appreciation for the in-state quota employed at UNC.