Expansion

[gojkts]

Because, eventually, the SEC want the national championship to just be a team from their league. Eventually, they will try to snip Michigan, Ohio State, USC to be part of their club. Screw the rest of them, and yes, that includes you Penn State

CFB is getting ripe for an antitrust suit.

 

[THWG247]

sec commish might want them to drive up revenue, but interesting perspective is why would bama and ugag want all of these OU and texas teams in and make their path to the top even harder. i guess a rising tide lifts all boats, so sec as a whole benefits, but maybe at expense of some individual teams. think of the lower tier Arkansas and mizzou's of the league. their 25% odds of making a conference title is quickly shrinking. but if it helps pad the pockets of their pres and ADs, who cares if they win i guess?

And does ESPN want this to happen?can they make more advertising revenue by having FSU and CU play a sec schedule vs. ACC? Would fsu and cu take a reduced share in the sec until the next contract?

 

[JJacket]

And does ESPN want this to happen?can they make more advertising revenue by having FSU and CU play a sec schedule vs. ACC? Would fsu and cu take a reduced share in the sec until the next contract?

If Miami had held up their end of the deal and not started SUCKING the ACC would be where the SEC is now. If you could go back to expansion in 2004 and tell someone that Miami and FSU will not face each other for the ACCC for almost the following two decades, they would say you're crazy and would guess out of the 19 that have been played, at least 10 would be Miami vs FSU.

The ACC expansion was being touted as making the ACC on par with the SEC. The SEC went on a propaganda rampage while the ACC behaved like we had a G5 front office. You can bet if we had a contract that was 90% of the Big10's or SEC's, not one peep would be coming out of any ACC school about moving

The absolute worst is UNC complaining, considering Swofford was "all UNC all the time" as commissioner

 

[gojkts]

And does ESPN want this to happen?can they make more advertising revenue by having FSU and CU play a sec schedule vs. ACC? Would fsu and cu take a reduced share in the sec until the next contract?

Maybe. But releasing members that way would nullify the GoR.

 

[JJacket]

Maybe. But releasing members that way would nullify the GoR.

The SEC, ultimately, will be cutting off Vandy, Missouri, Arkansas, maybe even Kentucky, as they consolidate schools in the country for football.

 

[jacket67]

The SEC, ultimately, will be cutting off Vandy, Missouri, Arkansas, maybe even Kentucky, as they consolidate schools in the country for football.

I think it would be extremely difficult for conferences to get rid of member schools. It seems unlikely that a simple vote could enable them to kick a program out of the conference. I guess it might all come down to the wording of contracts, but most likely it would cost the conference a fortune to get them out.

 

[stinger78]

sec commish might want them to drive up revenue, but interesting perspective is why would bama and ugag want all of these OU and texas teams in and make their path to the top even harder. i guess a rising tide lifts all boats, so sec as a whole benefits, but maybe at expense of some individual teams. think of the lower tier Arkansas and mizzou's of the league. their 25% odds of making a conference title is quickly shrinking. but if it helps pad the pockets of their pres and ADs, who cares if they win i guess?

I think it's because you can only play so many teams in a given year and as long as they are swapping between LSU, UTA, TAMU, and OU then what does it matter? Now when it comes to playing MSU, Ark, Vandy, or OU that is going to increase your SOS considerably. I can see them going to a 4-pod system, ideally with 20 teams, 5 per pod. You play your own pod top to bottom and then alternate through the rest home-home. You play all 20 teams, home-home, in a 6-year timeframe with 9 conference games/year (4 + 5 = 9 conference games).

So, if this is their thinking (and it almost has to be in some fashion), it helps GA Tech in a couple of ways. First, there aren't 4 more good southeastern schools left to invite unless you raid the ACC. Second, if they are going to 9 conference games, then it helps tremendously if the Tech-UGAg game is a conference game. The same is true for USCe/Clem and UF/FSU. The fly in the ointment is Kentucky - would they add Louisville? WVA? Or, just forget it and add Oklahoma State?

 

[MidnightJacket]

sec commish might want them to drive up revenue, but interesting perspective is why would bama and ugag want all of these OU and texas teams in and make their path to the top even harder. i guess a rising tide lifts all boats, so sec as a whole benefits, but maybe at expense of some individual teams. think of the lower tier Arkansas and mizzou's of the league. their 25% odds of making a conference title is quickly shrinking. but if it helps pad the pockets of their pres and ADs, who cares if they win i guess?

I think the very real side of this our fans aren't acknowledging is that there is value in having a more compelling schedule than just straight wins. GT could likely run the table as is in the Sun Belt this year, but how many people are going to be buying season tickets?

 

[USCJacket]

Clemson is a different animal. They are about adding interesting games to the schedule. No one is wowed by the number of viewers in SC, even counting the snowbirds in the low country.

That’s really not accurate at all. Clemson is a national brand that resonates with drawing significant TV #’s. Clemson was #10 at 2.59 M as far average watched per game for the 2022 season. The state of SC viewership is only a small piece to the puzzle. FSU was #15. Not really sure why some people on here (not saying you in particular) have this myth that Clemson, FSU bring nothing to the SEC table, but it’s simply not true.

 

[savbandjacket]

That’s really not accurate at all. Clemson is a national brand that resonates with drawing significant TV #’s. Clemson was #10 at 2.59 M as far average watched per game for the 2022 season. The state of SC viewership is only a small piece to the puzzle. FSU was #15. Not really sure why some people on here (not saying you in particular) have this myth that Clemson, FSU bring nothing to the SEC table, but it’s simply not true.

Clemson is only a national brand when good. If we were in the playoffs every year with a few titles mixed in, we’d be a national brand too. No one gave a öööö about Clemson other than Clemson fans until that happened.

FSU is a national brand.

 

[MidnightJacket]

That’s really not accurate at all. Clemson is a national brand that resonates with drawing significant TV #’s. Clemson was #10 at 2.59 M as far average watched per game for the 2022 season. The state of SC viewership is only a small piece to the puzzle. FSU was #15. Not really sure why some people on here (not saying you in particular) have this myth that Clemson, FSU bring nothing to the SEC table, but it’s simply not true.

Agree and disagree, my 2 cents here is any annual top 10 program that's playing for national championships is going to be a huge ratings draw. But even if they tail off in quality, they still bring a compelling matchup and rival for many of the schools on the schedule for the SEC. TV ratings are critical, but compelling matchups are going to engage fanbases, and Clemson, FSU, and in my obviously biased opinion GT, provide natural rivalries and compelling matchups for pretty much every fanbase in the SEC. Highly engaged fanbases are a sustainable business model.

 

[JJacket]

I think it would be extremely difficult for conferences to get rid of member schools. It seems unlikely that a simple vote could enable them to kick a program out of the conference. I guess it might all come down to the wording of contracts, but most likely it would cost the conference a fortune to get them out.

Not when a new contract is about to be negotiated and the factory schools are looking at payout decreases. Vandy may have to be ejaculated from the conference so UGAg can keep the palace in order. It will be sticky, smelly, nasty.

 

[JJacket]

Agree and disagree, my 2 cents here is any annual top 10 program that's playing for national championships is going to be a huge ratings draw. But even if they tail off in quality, they still bring a compelling matchup and rival for many of the schools on the schedule for the SEC. TV ratings are critical, but compelling matchups are going to engage fanbases, and Clemson, FSU, and in my obviously biased opinion GT, provide natural rivalries and compelling matchups for pretty much every fanbase in the SEC. Highly engaged fanbases are a sustainable business model.

We start winning again and fill BDS stadium with the backdrop of Atlanta and we'd be more of a national brand than Clemson.

 

[donsue]

If Miami had held up their end of the deal and not started SUCKING the ACC would be where the SEC is now. If you could go back to expansion in 2004 and tell someone that Miami and FSU will not face each other for the ACCC for almost the following two decades, they would say you're crazy and would guess out of the 19 that have been played, at least 10 would be Miami vs FSU.

The ACC expansion was being touted as making the ACC on par with the SEC. The SEC went on a propaganda rampage while the ACC behaved like we had a G5 front office. You can bet if we had a contract that was 90% of the Big10's or SEC's, not one peep would be coming out of any ACC school about moving

The absolute worst is UNC complaining, considering Swofford was "all UNC all the time" as commissioner

Some good points. But in reality, Miami is a small private school with a small and spread out fanbase. When they are not winning big and talking trash, most of their bandwagon fans would rather watch a high school game or pro sports. The only thing they had going for them in their heyday was the talent level in South Florida.
Frankly, without Ruiz they never would have hired Cristobal and were moving toward FIU status

 

[USCJacket]

Clemson is only a national brand when good. If we were in the playoffs every year with a few titles mixed in, we’d be a national brand too. No one gave a öööö about Clemson other than Clemson fans until that happened.

FSU is a national brand.

You realize Clemson has been a “relevant“ national brand for going on 15+ years, right? The current players / younger generation have all grown up knowing only the brand that Clemson is now. The opposite of FSU all things considered. FSU was good in 2013 (NC) 2014 (CFP) but from 2015-2021 was a train wreck with the end of Fisher to Taggart and the 1st 2 years under Norvell.

It’s not the 1990’s anymore.

Clemson is the #1 brand in the ACC over FSU right now. How many half empty stadium blowouts on National TV with a professor reading in the stands has Clemson had on their home field that you can remember over the last 15 years? Flip side, FSU has had a few at the hands of Clemson, Miami, NCSU, Wake, GT 2020, and the FCS loss.

 

[THWG247]

You realize Clemson has been a “relevant“ national brand for going on 15+ years, right? The current players / younger generation have all grown up knowing only the brand that Clemson is now. The opposite of FSU all things considered. FSU was good in 2013 (NC) 2014 (CFP) but from 2015-2021 was a train wreck with the end of Fisher to Taggart and the 1st 2 years under Norvell.

It’s not the 1990’s anymore.

Clemson is the #1 brand in the ACC over FSU right now. How many half empty stadium blowouts on National TV with a professor reading in the stands has Clemson had on their home field that you can remember over the last 15 years? Flip side, FSU has had a few at the hands of Clemson, Miami, NCSU, Wake, GT 2020, and the FCS loss.

That perception seems to be changing quickly, FSU is on the rise and Clemson falling. Dabo hasn’t changed with the times (NIL/transfers) and can’t dominate without Brent Venables and an NFL qb. Clemson’s stands will probably always be full (like Nebraska) but that doesn’t mean people around the country will keep tuning in if they keep losing to the likes of Duke. Clemson’s next head fb hire will be crucial in determining if they stay in blueblood status or revert to form

 

[donsue]

You realize Clemson has been a “relevant“ national brand for going on 15+ years, right? The current players / younger generation have all grown up knowing only the brand that Clemson is now. The opposite of FSU all things considered. FSU was good in 2013 (NC) 2014 (CFP) but from 2015-2021 was a train wreck with the end of Fisher to Taggart and the 1st 2 years under Norvell.

It’s not the 1990’s anymore.

Clemson is the #1 brand in the ACC over FSU right now. How many half empty stadium blowouts on National TV with a professor reading in the stands has Clemson had on their home field that you can remember over the last 15 years? Flip side, FSU has had a few at the hands of Clemson, Miami, NCSU, Wake, GT 2020, and the FCS loss.

Yet FSU consistently gets higher TV audiences than Clemson.

 

[gojkts]

Clemson is only a national brand when good. If we were in the playoffs every year with a few titles mixed in, we’d be a national brand too. No one gave a öööö about Clemson other than Clemson fans until that happened.

FSU is a national brand.

Clemson absolutely is a national brand. They’ve had six or seven losing seasons in the past 50 years. That level of success has given them an enduring fanbase and nationwide audience. They’re out of the CFP picture this season but they still draw viewers and that’s what broadcasters ultimately care about. Even in a down year they’re a potential spoiler and people will tune in to watch them.

 

[GTCrew4b]

You realize Clemson has been a “relevant“ national brand for going on 15+ years, right? The current players / younger generation have all grown up knowing only the brand that Clemson is now. The opposite of FSU all things considered. FSU was good in 2013 (NC) 2014 (CFP) but from 2015-2021 was a train wreck with the end of Fisher to Taggart and the 1st 2 years under Norvell.

It’s not the 1990’s anymore.

Clemson is the #1 brand in the ACC over FSU right now. How many half empty stadium blowouts on National TV with a professor reading in the stands has Clemson had on their home field that you can remember over the last 15 years? Flip side, FSU has had a few at the hands of Clemson, Miami, NCSU, Wake, GT 2020, and the FCS loss.

FSU football is more nationally appealing than Clemson football.

It may not be the 90s but the people obsessed with college football are those whowatched during the 90s not during Clemson’s recent run of success. Clemson has risen during a period of relative apathy from the age group that used to be most obsessed with college football.

 

[JJacket]

Some good points. But in reality, Miami is a small private school with a small and spread out fanbase. When they are not winning big and talking trash, most of their bandwagon fans would rather watch a high school game or pro sports. The only thing they had going for them in their heyday was the talent level in South Florida.
Frankly, without Ruiz they never would have hired Cristobal and were moving toward FIU status

Miami and FSU dominated CFB for a few decades. Miami should own the talent in South Florida.