F$U appealing that GROSSLY UNFAIR sentence against BB...

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Trustees chairman Jim Smith says the board is 100 percent behind the decision. "It's certainly unfair to coach [Bobby] Bowden," Smith said Monday. "It was a breakdown in academics, a breakdown that none of us condone." [/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]"I feel for coach Bowden," said Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, who earned his undergraduate degree at Florida State. "I doubt that he had any knowledge what was happening with some of those students. I think it would be just, especially for coach Bowden, for that to be changed." [/FONT]
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Bobby is the REAL victim here. In fact the NCAA should apologize to Bobby for having to go through this ordeal.

EVERYONE knows that BB runs the CLEANEST program in sports. I cannot remember the last time an F$U player was involved in an impropriety.

I sincerely hope that the Governor, both Senators, and the Florida legislature will correct this injustice on BB.
 
law_bee said:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/11510081

Bobby is the REAL victim here. In fact the NCAA should apologize to Bobby for having to go through this ordeal.

EVERYONE knows that BB runs the CLEANEST program in sports. I cannot remember the last time an F$U player was involved in an impropriety.

I sincerely hope that the Governor, both Senators, and the Florida legislature will correct this injustice on BB.
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How long till mark Richt gets his smack-down by the NCAA? It's been a long time for the mutts. They are WAY past due.
 
If two dozen of his players are participating in something that could bring on NCAA fines and he has no idea about it, I think that's a pretty big problem for FSU. Talk about not having control of your program.
 
This is a total pile of crap. Does anyone know how many scholarships FSU lost? That's the real punishment. The NCAA will probably let them off the hook and take 2 scholarships away. But this is an effective smokescreen on the part of both. The NCAA can maintain an air of superiority while letting the Noles off easy and FSU remains competitive because the only thing they lost are records that won't impact anything. You can complain that St. Bobby will no longer be in the running for the world's most winningest football coach, but that's life. Maybe he shouldn't have recruited from the penal system. If FSU wanted to get me on their side, they should volunteer extra scholarships in exchange for the vacated wins.

Personally, I don't think Bowden is entitled to be statistically better then Paterno. Old Joe doesn't have discipline problems and he's been boned multiple times by the AP.
 
So to extend the analogy, do you think that Chan Gailey had any idea that there were players that had not had the correct form signed by the registrar's office?

Were those players in any way "cheating," in anything other than a purely technical and not a deliberate sense?

Were those players even ineligible by NCAA standards (NO), and not merely out of minor compliance with the Tech Administration (Yes)?

and still, we forfeited scholarships and had to successfully appeal not to lose wins.

if they do not get stripped of wins, then the NCAA will prove (well, again) that they are completely biased in defining punishments for violations!

I think we could get Penn State fans to make a massive protest against the NCAA, and i think all ACC teams should join them!

here is an interesting article
http://blogs.ajc.com/techfans/2009/03/08/equity-in-ncaa-discipline-nope/
 
if they do not get stripped of wins, then the NCAA will prove (well, again) that they are completely biased in defining punishments for violations!
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Yup.

FSU should really have gotten a post-season suspension for a couple of years for that, if not lack of institutional control. (death penalty)
 
This is getting so ridiculous that people probably never even realized that this appeal will not just keep Bobby Bowdens' wins but the wins of all the games those players played in.
 
GTLiebs said:
This is getting so ridiculous that people probably never even realized that this appeal will not just keep Bobby Bowdens' wins but the wins of all the games those players played in.
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It's pretty standard practice when your entire team cheats on tests.

They're damn lucky they're not prohibited from going to bowl games.
 
beej67 said:
They're damn lucky they're not prohibited from going to bowl games.
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:+1: EXACTLY!!!!

Also they could of been prohibited from attending the ACC championship game if they had gotten into it.
 
beej67 said:
They're FSU and they are the "premier" team in the ACC and one of the "top" programs in college football and the NCAA doesn't have the balls to drop the hammer on a "top tier" program and so they're not prohibited from going to bowl games.
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I went ahead and fixed that for you.

I would be pleasantly content with FSU keeping the wins, but getting a major reduction in the number of scholarships they can offer to the inmates. They should lose one scholarship for every player caught cheating on the football team. Then, if St. Bobby can still field a winning team that is two wins better then Zombie Paterno's squad, then he's truly deserving to be the winningest coach ever.
 
Allen Koholic said:
I went ahead and fixed that for you.

I would be pleasantly content with FSU keeping the wins, but getting a major reduction in the number of scholarships they can offer to the inmates. They should lose one scholarship for every player caught cheating on the football team. Then, if St. Bobby can still field a winning team that is two wins better then Zombie Paterno's squad, then he's truly deserving to be the winningest coach ever.
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I know this would never happen, but just out of curiosity, what happens if you lose more scholarships than you can afford to give away? For example, say you have only four scholarships to give to incoming players, but then you get hit with a five scholarship penalty. Do you have to take a scholarship away from a kid or does that one scholarship penalty carry over and effectively extend part of the punishment an extra year? Seems like something that could happen in basketball if not football.
 
gth816f said:
I know this would never happen, but just out of curiosity, what happens if you lose more scholarships than you can afford to give away? For example, say you have only four scholarships to give to incoming players, but then you get hit with a five scholarship penalty. Do you have to take a scholarship away from a kid or does that one scholarship penalty carry over and effectively extend part of the punishment an extra year? Seems like something that could happen in basketball if not football.
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From my understanding, you never get scholarship penalties on a class that has already signed. Any scholarship hits FSU will take from the NCAA (not ones they gave themselves) will affect the 2010 and beyond classes.
 
GTLiebs said:
From my understanding, you never get scholarship penalties on a class that has already signed. Any scholarship hits FSU will take from the NCAA (not ones they gave themselves) will affect the 2010 and beyond classes.
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I didn't think scholarships were grouped like that. I thought the team had a certain amount of scholarships it can have per year, period. That's why some years a team signs more players than others.
 
gth816f said:
I didn't think scholarships were grouped like that. I thought the team had a certain amount of scholarships it can have per year, period. That's why some years a team signs more players than others.
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It's total number on the team. Seventy-five, I think. It would be interesting if a team had 70 players signed and then lost six for the coming season. It would be nice to see the offending players kicked from the team, but we all know it's the McElrathbey's of the world that get kicked.
 
Max number of scholarships are 85 I believe. For us the probation was applied at the end of the 2005 season and took away scholarships for the 2006 and 2007 freshman classes (according to wikipedia and my own memory). Whether that came before early Feb. of 2006 or not is the crux of my argument. I don't think the NCAA would take away scholarships from a recruiting class after that years' signing day. If that's true then the situation proposed wouldn't happen.
 
When all this plays out FSUe will prob skate thru any big sanctions--life ain't fair especially when the big boys (ie Ala, ND, FSU and others) are involved. It really sucks but it's reality.
 
GTLiebs said:
Max number of scholarships are 85 I believe. For us the probation was applied at the end of the 2005 season and took away scholarships for the 2006 and 2007 freshman classes (according to wikipedia and my own memory). Whether that came before early Feb. of 2006 or not is the crux of my argument. I don't think the NCAA would take away scholarships from a recruiting class after that years' signing day. If that's true then the situation proposed wouldn't happen.
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I think you're still misunderstanding my question. What if they took away 6 scholarships for the 2006 season but we already had 80 players on the team at that point? Then we'd still have more than our punished max of 79 no matter how few we signed. The only options would be to a) commute one of the scholarship punishments a year, b) take away someone's already existing scholarship, or c) reduce the penalty. Neither B nor C seem very fair, so my best guess would be A...of course, it would probably end up being C.
 
gth816f said:
I think you're still misunderstanding my question. What if they took away 6 scholarships for the 2006 season but we already had 80 players on the team at that point? Then we'd still have more than our punished max of 79 no matter how few we signed. The only options would be to a) commute one of the scholarship punishments a year, b) take away someone's already existing scholarship, or c) reduce the penalty. Neither B nor C seem very fair, so my best guess would be A...of course, it would probably end up being C.
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I think the answer to this is in the way that players are awarded scholarships. I always think of scholarships as being a four year deal, but I think they are basically one year deals that are re-upped at the end of a season for a player.So, just because you have a player under scholarship this year doesn't mean he has to be next year. So the problem with the NCAA taking away scholies doesn't exist. The sanctions may ultimately require a team to take away a players scholarship for the next season, but schools already do this for various reasons. Sadly, on field performance is one of those reasons. So, St. Bobby has 80 players under scholarship this season and loses six next year. He would simply tell one of the 80 that they're going to be getting a bill in the mail, and he's down to 79 and in compliance. And we know that St. Bobby wouldn't cut a starter...
 
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