FSU, LSU, USC and UF

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1982Jacket

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Four schools that have won natties in the past 20 years. In fact, six championships between them in the last 20 years. But none in the past six years.

Four schools that should be looking for new head football coaches by the end of the year. Although Florida may be in denial and hang onto Mullen another year. But it's just a matter of time for him, and I believe that once you reach the "it's-just-a-matter-of-time" stage . . . it IS time. They really should move on.

Anyway, if you were a football coach with your pick of these jobs, which one would you take, and why? And which one is the worst and why?


I would pick USC. They have underachieved for the longest time, their fan base does not have insane expectations, they play in a conference with no other dominant power (in fact, they used to BE the dominant power), and they're located in a fertile talent field with fewer high end regional competition for that local talent. A good coach who could assemble an A+ recruiting team should be able to turn USC into a monster. With Hollywood and other media companies in Kali, they really should be able to get big NIL money for their recruits, too.

Worst job IMO would be FSU. Way, way, way too much competition for the local talent base in Florida and gulf coast, and they are never going to be the number one options compared to UF, Bama, UGA, and even Miami. Even Texas A&M is apparently a more attractive job.
 
Southern California. Should be able to own west coast recruiting.
FSU would be last. Just not that appealing of a job. Too much Auburn, Alabama, UGAg competition. FSU does not have the draw of USC.
LSU and UF are about the same, but I'd prefer Gainesville to Baton Rouge
 
UF.

Los Angeles sucks and the West Coast doesn't care about football anymore. Gators in an easier division than LSU. FSU isn't close to being back.
 
I agree FSU is at the bottom of that pile. Tallahassee doesn't excite me along with the reasons already mentioned. LSU is also at the bottom of my list due to the fan expectations and they are irrational. I was listening to the end of the LSU vs. UF game in the car and the LSU crew was talking about what a great way for Coach O to go out on a big win. So that would mean UF or USC. Personally I would pick UF because I don't want to live in California.
 
Mullen's not going anywhere (though he may have to kick Grantham to the curb)
Norvell's not going anywhere either. FSU can't afford another fat buyout.

FSU currently has the No. 1 class in the ACC, per 247, for the 2022 recruiting class.
They may not get back to the level they were at during the height of the Bowden era (how many straight years did they finish in the top 5? Like 10 or more?).
But Norvell can at least make them relevant quickly.
There's a ton of talent in Florida and Georgia. Yeah, the ACC/SEC and now some Big 10/12 schools recruit both areas hard, but I think FSU can start reassembling enough talent to at least be competent.
Tallahassee isn't much to write home about - but is Knoxville? Gainesville? Clemson? Athens? Norman, Oklahoma?
 
swampsting said:
Tallahassee isn't much to write home about - but is Knoxville? Gainesville? Clemson? Athens? Norman, Oklahoma?
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a lot closer to the beach than most of those places

but still the worst choice of the 4 listed
USC best
other 2 depends
 
savbandjacket said:
Has time passed that quickly? I thought LSU just won a title with Burrow.
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Burrow and Lawrence show the difference an elite QB can make on a team, especially since OL's are allowed to hold now more often than not to protect QB's.
 
The demise of FSU is so overstated. Jimbo Fisher had a metric ton of personal baggage in Tallahassee which made his decision for him. Tallahassee as a college town or geographic locale has nothing to worry about from any where else in the southeast.

Coach Bayou Bunny was never going to be the answer. Orgeron/Burrow:Chizik/Newton. Even so, outside of the UCLA loss their season isn't horrible. Same for Mullen. Both programs are feeling the heat this year of losing to a very good Kentucky team that is going to finish second behind UGA.
 
It would be helpful if folks posting and who have a specific allegiance to, or hatred for, one or more of these teams, would reveal their bias. I do not care for UF, but they aren't even among the top ten teams that I dislike.

Florida is looking at a minimum of four losses this year. After four losses last year. If you think that four loss seasons year after year is going to satisfy UF boosters, you're crazy. If he holds it to four losses, he'll get another year. But he probably shouldn't. It's only postponing the inevitable. He is not the answer.

FSU has been a train wreck since Norvell took over. Maybe he gets a third year. But IMO, he hasn't shown anything on the field to deserve it.

USC is running with an interim. I think Orgeron is ded.
 
1982Jacket said:
It would be helpful if folks posting and who have a specific allegiance to, or hatred for, one or more of these teams, would reveal their bias. I do not care for UF, but they aren't even among the top ten teams that I dislike.

Florida is looking at a minimum of four losses this year. After four losses last year. If you think that four loss seasons year after year is going to satisfy UF boosters, you're crazy. If he holds it to four losses, he'll get another year. But he probably shouldn't. It's only postponing the inevitable. He is not the answer.

FSU has been a train wreck since Norvell took over. Maybe he gets a third year. But IMO, he hasn't shown anything on the field to deserve it.

USC is running with an interim. I think Orgeron is ded.
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FSU has been a train wreck since Jimbo's last year.
 
1982Jacket said:
It would be helpful if folks posting and who have a specific allegiance to, or hatred for, one or more of these teams, would reveal their bias. I do not care for UF, but they aren't even among the top ten teams that I dislike.

Florida is looking at a minimum of four losses this year. After four losses last year. If you think that four loss seasons year after year is going to satisfy UF boosters, you're crazy. If he holds it to four losses, he'll get another year. But he probably shouldn't. It's only postponing the inevitable. He is not the answer.

FSU has been a train wreck since Norvell took over. Maybe he gets a third year. But IMO, he hasn't shown anything on the field to deserve it.

USC is running with an interim. I think Orgeron is ded.
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I think Orgeron is ded: confirmed.

Upset UF on Saturday; get fired on Sunday. At some level, I don't understand that. Why not last week? Or why not wait until after another loss? If there are no more losses, would you really fire him?
 
1982Jacket said:
It would be helpful if folks posting and who have a specific allegiance to, or hatred for, one or more of these teams, would reveal their bias. I do not care for UF, but they aren't even among the top ten teams that I dislike.

Florida is looking at a minimum of four losses this year. After four losses last year. If you think that four loss seasons year after year is going to satisfy UF boosters, you're crazy. If he holds it to four losses, he'll get another year. But he probably shouldn't. It's only postponing the inevitable. He is not the answer.
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UF fans are very unhappy with the recent results on the field but outside of the most vocal many just want a DC and QB change. They had Spurrier which was their version of Bobby Dodd, but he was replaced by Zook. They hated Zook and for good reason, he sucked. The Urban Meyer hire made the UF fans happy again until he had his meltdown(s) and finally had to quit, but since then have had Muschamp and McElwain (Randy Shannon for a handful of games) and now Mullen. What pisses them off the most besides not competing for national championships is staring at the mutt’s ass as they are squarely behind them in SEC now & have no chance at any kind of title. I think deep down they want another HC but fear Mullen may be the best they can have & are afraid to run him off. They worry about getting another loser HC and regressing again.
 
Liberty said:
UF fans are very unhappy with the recent results on the field but outside of the most vocal many just want a DC and QB change. They had Spurrier which was their version of Bobby Dodd, but he was replaced by Zook. They hated Zook and for good reason, he sucked. The Urban Meyer hire made the UF fans happy again until he had his meltdown(s) and finally had to quit, but since then have had Muschamp and McElwain (Randy Shannon for a handful of games) and now Mullen. What pisses them off the most besides not competing for national championships is staring at the mutt’s ass as they are squarely behind them in SEC now & have no chance at any kind of title. I think deep down they want another HC but fear Mullen may be the best they can have & are afraid to run him off. They worry about getting another loser HC and regressing again.
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Sounds about right. Seems a long way, though, from when they fired Zook. I know a couple of big Bull Gator boosters, and at that time they were very confident that they had the cash and the prestige such that they could get pretty much any coach they wanted to come to Gainesville. So they set their sites on Meyer and they got him.

But they will eventually have to accept that Mullen is a loser, too. He gave them Todd Grantham. Grantham was his pick for DC. Hello?!?

Muschamp, McElwain, Mullen . . . all failed. Maybe move off the letter M next time
 
1982Jacket said:
It would be helpful if folks posting and who have a specific allegiance to, or hatred for, one or more of these teams, would reveal their bias. I do not care for UF, but they aren't even among the top ten teams that I dislike.

Florida is looking at a minimum of four losses this year. After four losses last year. If you think that four loss seasons year after year is going to satisfy UF boosters, you're crazy. If he holds it to four losses, he'll get another year. But he probably shouldn't. It's only postponing the inevitable. He is not the answer.

FSU has been a train wreck since Norvell took over. Maybe he gets a third year. But IMO, he hasn't shown anything on the field to deserve it.

USC is running with an interim. I think Orgeron is ded.
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It didn’t have anything to do with a bias or hatred. It is factual. I have been around both Georgia and Florida fans more than I care to, and the only major difference is at least Florida has something to show for their arrogance, Georgia does not. My point was that most of the UF fans you will encounter are either arrogant, rednecks, or loudmouth Yankee transplants.
 
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