Game observations....

"And as for Mike Cox, his time on the field was minimal for a starter and he didn't do much lead blocking. No one is complaining about the TD reception either. He made a great play to catch the ball and no one was displeased by the call. What no one understands....including myself and everyone in my section yesterday was why throw the lob on first and goal inside the 5 yardline. That is when fans wanted to see us shove it down Troy's throat.....with Cox either running or lead blocking."

Mike Cox can't block three guys. I still remember the 3rd and 1 vs. ND where we did run it right up the middle and Choice was stopped behind the LOS.

The OL is definitely the problem on the team right now, moreso than Reggie or the receivers behind Calvin. You're asking for some old Big 10 three yards and a cloud of dust play calling and we just don't have the OL for it.

And remember, the play call at the goal line worked beautifully. Only because of how poorly Reggie threw it did the TD look in doubt.
 
And as for Mike Cox, his time on the field was minimal for a starter and he didn't do much lead blocking.
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He was lead blocker on every running play out of the I, each of which went for like 2 yards or less. He also saw plenty of time on the field in shotgun, was motioned into the flat often to lead block for many many of our over 300 yards rushing. Cox was on the field a lot. Did you watch the game?
What no one understands....including myself and everyone in my section yesterday was why throw the lob on first and goal inside the 5 yardline. That is when fans wanted to see us shove it down Troy's throat.....with Cox either running or lead blocking.
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You can't seriously be claiming that the fade was a bad play call, can you? I'd like you to look your computer square on, and type these words:

"It was dumb to call a fade route to our 6 foot 6 inch 42 inch vertical concensus all american top 5 draft pick wide receiver in single coverage at the 6 yard line."

Type those words into this thread for me please, if you seriously believe them. I'll quote you in my sig, so we can all remember you saying it.
 
Beej: Whatever, you think the problem is one thing and I think it is another. You think it is the players and I think it is the coaches more so than the players. You like the spread-option out of the shotgun and I hate it......whatever. You are not going to convinced many of us that a GIMMICK OFFENSE will win a championship in the ACC.
 
Were you really at the game, SLJ? Your description of the INT is so inaccurate it is difficult to believe that you were there. The ball was underthrown by may be a couple of feet. The Troy defend basically tackled CJ who amazingly was still able to get a hand on the ball. Unfortunately, he tipped it up just enough for the safety to come across and make a great interception.

We did so many positive new things on offense this game:

- Using Grant in a "Charlie Rogers" role aka WR that plays a little RB

- Using the reverse, teams have been over-pursuing against us forever. Now they will have to think twice about it.

- Using the FB, Cox caught 2 passes and we must have thrown at him at least another 2 times. I thought the 4th down playcall was excellent and it worked perfectly. Cox was wide open, but the ball was not well thrown.

- Diversity, we had 8 different players catch passes and 5 different players with carries.

- We had 500 yards of offense. We averaged almost 8 yards a carry. We didn't have anyone average less than 4.6 yards per carry. We averaged almost 7 yard per play on offense.

The game was not nearly as close as the scoreboard. Troy's first TD was setup by a BS, Notre Dame style unnecessary roughness penalty after being stopped on 3rd down. (When did hitting someone too hard become a penalty?) Their last TD was in garbage time against the 2nd team. Both of Reggie's INT were kind of garbage INT. The first was on a Hail Mary at the end of the first half and the second was the tip ball circus catch in the endzone.

I think that you have to be looking pretty hard to find the negatives about this game.
 
statelinejacket said:
Beej: Whatever, you think the problem is one thing and I think it is another. You think it is the players and I think it is the coaches more so than the players. You like the spread-option out of the shotgun and I hate it......whatever. You are not going to convinced many of us that a GIMMICK OFFENSE will win a championship in the ACC.
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State ,they're laughing at you on buzzo--,wondering when you'll try to return.Hopefully it will be sooner ,rather than later. They want you back !!
 
Beej, first off, I do go to the games. I have season tickets. I just gave my Samford and Troy tickets away because I cannot drive up for all the games. That said I listened to both Troy and Samford, and the throw to Cox on 4 and goal from the 1 yard line was a stupid call in my opinion. I said it was stupid when I heard it. Wes seemed miffed as well. You are on the one yard line 4th and goal in a power I and you get cute which almost cost us the TD like it did in the first half when you threw the pick to Calvin.

Like I said, its hard to bitch when you get 500 yards of offense. I was pleased with the efforts, truly was. I think Reggie played better than his stats showed. But the play calling has no rhyme or reason. We're running it down their throats and we killed ourselves late in the 2nd quarter and ALL of the 3rd quarter by trying low percentage pass plays on 1st down forcing us to throw more.

Sorry, seems obvious you hand the ball off on 1st and 10 in the 3rd quarter and shorten the distance on 2nd down which opens up the playbook. We didn't do that. The 3rd quarter to me was frustrating.

See you Thursday.
 
Barrel: I think some of the pundits here grew up playin soccer or tennis and not football.

JTS: The pass was badly thrown.....and very short.....and little trajectory.....not as golftangoyankeejuliet claimes: "No different than any other lobs Reggie throws"
 
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Barrel: I think some of the pundits here grew up playin soccer or tennis and not football.
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I think people make legit points, I just disagree with some. For instance, a lot of people thought the pass to Cox was great and we Really opened up the playbook. I thought the play was terrible because it is a low percentage play. I also thought that we opened up the playbook. The plays called are NOT my issue. My issue is when the plays were called. Some plays at times made absolutely no sense.

I'm sure with some experience, Nix will get better.
 
Of course, the Troy coach commended Nix for his play calling and said WTTE, they didn't know what was coming at them. I'm not really arguing play calling, but we can't see a pattern, but the opposing defense can't either. Is that bad?
 
I agree that it was a good game for us, but not as good as some posters claim:
1) we had to wear then down in the fourth quarter to take control of the game, when our talent should have been good enough to put this game away by half time.
2) The OL is very poor. We are having to roll out to get any time for RB to throw and our running game was pathetic other than RB reading the hole and reverses. Hopefully it will improve.
3) Nix did a good job wthout good line play. Some of his calls look stupid but when you know you can't get a sure yard, what else is there to do?
4) Cox saved our ass with that catch. Troy caved after t5hat play and from where I was sitting, there was no way he could cathch that ball.
5) The offense has gotten better every week, really opened up this week. I don't agree thgat our offense has to have an "identity". Every DC will tell you that they can rig a defense to stop any offensive scheme. Better to keep them guessing, as Fridge did.
6) Their quick LB's took a lot of our runing game away as holes were plugged quickly. I don't think UVA can do that and I look for TC to have a big game.
Go Jackets!!
 
I think its recognizable when a coach is trying to change things up and keep them guessing. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about making low percentage pass plays on first down during the entire 3rd qtr and most of the 2nd. You open up your playbook to do more when you are in 2nd and 4, 5, and 6 than you are in 2nd and 10.
 
Beej, first off, I do go to the games. I have season tickets. I just gave my Samford and Troy tickets away because I cannot drive up for all the games.
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I did not intend to convey that you're a bad fan for missing the game or anything. My wife didn't go. Some friends of mine with season tix didn't go either. But what I am saying is that I think you'd sing a different tune if you actually saw the game. Saw the defensive alignments. Saw how a pitch for 2 yards set up a reverse for 30. Etceteras. When the offense works, it works well, and it's really cool. Seriously. It's like a run-first version of the Texas offense that got them to the championship.

That said I listened to both Troy and Samford, and the throw to Cox on 4 and goal from the 1 yard line was a stupid call in my opinion.
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You can't make an informed opinion without seeing the defensive alignment. Troy had 10 guys in the box, and single man coverage on our wideout, which was on the short side of the field, leaving a clusterfuck of defenders in the middle and at least half the endzone barren of any players. We lined up, play action faked the dive, they all fell on the pile, and our FB came free as day. It was a very very well conceived play.

Like I said, its hard to bitch when you get 500 yards of offense.
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...and yet... ;)

We're running it down their throats and we killed ourselves late in the 2nd quarter and ALL of the 3rd quarter by trying low percentage pass plays on 1st down forcing us to throw more.
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Killed all of the third quarter? We only punted once the whole second half.

Sorry, seems obvious you hand the ball off on 1st and 10 in the 3rd quarter and shorten the distance on 2nd down which opens up the playbook. We didn't do that. The 3rd quarter to me was frustrating.
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Oh, it was definitely frustrating, but it was frustrating because we were driving well and not scoring, not becuase we weren't driving well. That's an improvement over last year. Hehe.


The summary of all these threads is this: Tech fans are going to bitch no matter what. We used to be a run first, no shotgun team, and everyone complained. Now we're a pass first, generally shotgun team and everyone's complaining. All I'm saying is the proof is in the pudding - 500 yards of offense is something we haven't seen on the flats in a while. I doubt we keep it up all season long, but if we can stay in the 400 range we're going to win a lot of games.
 
I'll take 28 points a game over the 400 yards of offense. Nice rebuttal on the pass to Cox. Ok I conceed. But for once I'd like to see our offense go man on man, balls out and stick the damn ball in the endzone. Especially since they weren't stopping the run anyway.
 
I'll take 28 points a game over the 400 yards of offense. Nice rebuttal on the pass to Cox. Ok I conceed. But for once I'd like to see our offense go man on man, balls out and stick the damn ball in the endzone. Especially since they weren't stopping the run anyway.
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They were stopping the I-Form "you're going to see it coming" run. That's why we were in a 4th and one situation in the first place, remember?

Incedentally, there was a series in the third where we came out in the I, ran for 2 yards off tackle on first down, then threw to the TE after a play action fake for the first down. If Troy decided to stop Play A and open themselves up to Play B, then you call Play B. I don't see what the big problem is.

I'll take 28 points a game over the 400 yards of offense.
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I'll take both. :)
 
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