Gimmick Offense

[samsgt02]

Now in age of the NIL and the transfer portal, if we (alumni and fans) pooled our NIL money towards a top rated QB and DT from smaller programs every year to assist the new staff with recruiting, could this be a winning strategy? Why would the recruits care now what offense they play in, they’re getting paid?
It doesn’t have to be the triple option (the best offense I’ve ever seen schematically), just something that goes against the grain.
I’m looking to the future to save our program, whatever happens this year, it’s hot garbage at this point. If GT the institute doesn’t want to help, I damn sure want to. I just want to be savvy about it.

 

[BigDanT]

Now in age of the NIL and the transfer portal, if we (alumni and fans) pooled our NIL money towards a top rated QB and DT from smaller programs every year to assist the new staff with recruiting, could this be a winning strategy? Why would the recruits care now what offense they play in, they’re getting paid?
It doesn’t have to be the triple option (the best offense I’ve ever seen schematically), just something that goes against the grain.
I’m looking to the future to save our program, whatever happens this year, it’s hot garbage at this point. If GT the institute doesn’t want to help, I damn sure want to. I just want to be savvy about it.

Yeah honestly the eggs in one QB basket approach doesn’t sound to bad. It would certainly help our defense to move the chains.

 

[The Champ]

We have a top rated QB. How is that working out?

Better find a coach that understands how to run a program, can be a leader, instill discipline, hold people accountable, and hire a competent staff. One or two players hasn’t been the issue for 3.25 years.

 

[samsgt02]

One or two players was the difference with Gailey and Johnson. Gailey wins the ACC and beats Georgia a couple times with a better QB. Johnson’s teams with a top 10 DT and QB are competing for a national championship. We’re still allowed to recruit all of the other positions, too, even if we use the NIL to get a top difference maker.

 

[The Champ]

One or two players was the difference with Gailey and Johnson. Gailey wins the ACC and beats Georgia a couple times with a better QB. Johnson’s teams with a top 10 DT and QB are competing for a national championship. We’re still allowed to recruit all of the other positions, too, even if we use the NIL to get a top difference maker.

Those teams also had like 20 NFL players on them. It wasn’t about a guy or two.

 

[samsgt02]

Those teams also had like 20 NFL players on them. It wasn’t about a guy or two.

It doesn’t need to be a QB or DL every year. Maybe we add an OL one year, or a sack machine DE, or even an automatic kicker. Over four years it’s 8 elite players, and maybe some are busts, maybe some are Cam Newton. You get these guys from the portal, because the free transfer year is only once. We can still recruit and develop other positions with the right coach.

 

[JJacket]

I'm almost thinking we need a coach with deep NFL connections.

 

[TampaBayJacket]

It doesn’t have to be the triple option (the best offense I’ve ever seen schematically)

I'm kind of curious here. If the TO is the best ever offense, why did everyone abandon it after it peaked in the 80s? Nebraska abandoned the option offense even after winning a couple of natties in the 90s with it. If it is so unstoppable, why did everyone stop using it? Right now it is not in favor with players because of the translation to NFL offenses but what happened 30-40 years ago?

Edit: BTW look at Nebraska if you want a case study the long term effects post TO offense. We are certainly a cautionary tale for any other FBS school possibly tempted to switch to it. Monken will never get hired in FBS other than the academies now.

 

[JJacket]

The new offenses slinging it around the field are what the players want to play in nowadays. It is like women. Hell she may be drop dead sexy gorgeous compared to the slightly plainer lady, but the slightly plainer lady can de-chrome a bumper hitch, make your toes curl, and will get up and make you delicious pancakes afterwards.

 

[77GTFan]

There are no gimmicks in our offense now. Third quarter Saturday was awful. On each possession on third and long we ran plays where Sims runs out of bounds short of the sticks once and throws short of the first down twice. This is in a game where you are getting clobbered your offense takes the short gain and punts rather than trying to get a first down. But, at least no Tech fans have to be ashamed of a gimmicky offense.

 

[FHstinger]

I'm kind of curious here. If the TO is the best ever offense, why did everyone abandon it after it peaked in the 80s? Nebraska abandoned the option offense even after winning a couple of natties in the 90s with it. If it is so unstoppable, why did everyone stop using it? Right now it is not in favor with players because of the translation to NFL offenses but what happened 30-40 years ago?

Edit: BTW look at Nebraska if you want a case study the long term effects post TO offense. We are certainly a cautionary tale for any other FBS school possibly tempted to switch to it. Monken will never get hired in FBS other than the academies now.

The NFL is pass happy, with every team passing the ball fifty times or more. Running the ball is considered boring, thereby ending the popularity of the TO. The TO did not die off because it was failing.

 

[TampaBayJacket]

The NFL is pass happy, with every team passing the ball fifty times or more. Running the ball is considered boring, thereby ending the popularity of the TO. The TO did not die off because it was failing.

It's boring when it doesn't work. It's also exciting when you're scoring a lot with it. This is not any different from a modern college offense where it's painful to watch when it doesn't work but exciting when it works. Even TV is okay with the TO offense if you are high powered as evidenced when we peaked early in PJ's career here. This is not why the TO ended. In Nebraska's case, I already knew the answer because I lived in that state in the mid to late 90s. They abandoned the TO offense because they couldn't come back if ever down in a game late. They wanted to integrate a two minute offense which just isn't part of the TO identity. The entire state of fans pressured Nebraska for change and it happened but they never saw success again.

In the modern era, you dont want the TO offense because you wont get any players. It's a different dynamic than the transition years from 30 years ago. Even with substandard players the TO works but if you use us as a single sample point, if goes through a long term degradation due to a feedback loop of less and less capable players.

 

[BrentwoodJacket]

It's boring when it doesn't work. It's also exciting when you're scoring a lot with it. This is not any different from a modern college offense where it's painful to watch when it doesn't work but exciting when it works. Even TV is okay with the TO offense if you are high powered as evidenced when we peaked early in PJ's career here. This is not why the TO ended. In Nebraska's case, I already knew the answer because I lived in that state in the mid to late 90s. They abandoned the TO offense because they couldn't come back if ever down in a game late. They wanted to integrate a two minute offense which just isn't part of the TO identity. The entire state of fans pressured Nebraska for change and it happened but they never saw success again.

In the modern era, you dont want the TO offense because you wont get any players. It's a different dynamic than the transition years from 30 years ago. Even with substandard players the TO works but if you use us as a single sample point, if goes through a long term degradation due to a feedback loop of less and less capable players.

Because every 3 star and above assumes they will play in the NFL. The reality is that most won't even make it to a try out.

 

[rocky top buzz]

I'm kind of curious here. If the TO is the best ever offense, why did everyone abandon it after it peaked in the 80s?

I saw on one of the CFB shows they were discussing this and the answer is the NFL. Joe Montana throwing the ball to Jerry Rice was exciting.

Honestly I think GT could succeed with something like the Air Raid. Could you imagine Mike Leach here? playing an ACC schedule and running an attractive offense at a school in the heart of recruiting gold, I can't imagine how much better we would be.

There are still problems with air raid (your defense spends a lot of time on the field) but I think we have success similar to what we had with the option.

 

[77GTFan]

I mentioned earlier that Lincoln Riley’s brother would be a great hire. Garrett is part of the Mike Leach tree, having learned the offense at Texas Tech. He is OC at TCU after a good run at SMU. Why not hire a bright, young guy with name recognition and give him a chance at running a program? I like this kind of hire more than going with old guys whose names are bantered about.

 

[GTsapper]

I saw on one of the CFB shows they were discussing this and the answer is the NFL. Joe Montana throwing the ball to Jerry Rice was exciting.

Honestly I think GT could succeed with something like the Air Raid. Could you imagine Mike Leach here? playing an ACC schedule and running an attractive offense at a school in the heart of recruiting gold, I can't imagine how much better we would be.

There are still problems with air raid (your defense spends a lot of time on the field) but I think we have success similar to what we had with the option.

Like I said yesterday... Bring the Run and Shoot back to Atlanta. I used to love that öööö.

 

[TampaBayJacket]

I saw on one of the CFB shows they were discussing this and the answer is the NFL. Joe Montana throwing the ball to Jerry Rice was exciting.

Honestly I think GT could succeed with something like the Air Raid. Could you imagine Mike Leach here? playing an ACC schedule and running an attractive offense at a school in the heart of recruiting gold, I can't imagine how much better we would be.

There are still problems with air raid (your defense spends a lot of time on the field) but I think we have success similar to what we had with the option.

Air raid is perfect here. I'd take it. It's quirky and different but in a cool way to players unlike the TO offense. And when it really works, you can drop 70 in any particular game.

 

[GTsapper]

Can we call up Chris Ault and run some pistol RPO mixed in with triple option? He had one of the most fun-looking offenses I can ever remember seeing in college. I'm not much of a Kaepernick guy, but man in those days in that scheme he was unstoppable.

 

[whiskey clear]

I'm kind of curious here. If the TO is the best ever offense, why did everyone abandon it after it peaked in the 80s? Nebraska abandoned the option offense even after winning a couple of natties in the 90s with it. If it is so unstoppable, why did everyone stop using it? Right now it is not in favor with players because of the translation to NFL offenses but what happened 30-40 years ago?

Edit: BTW look at Nebraska if you want a case study the long term effects post TO offense. We are certainly a cautionary tale for any other FBS school possibly tempted to switch to it. Monken will never get hired in FBS other than the academies now.

Nebraska mostly ran double options not 3O actually. Even back then not a ton of teams ran a ton of option. College ball follows NFL trends and the NFL went to pass happy schemes. Teams were winning Super Bowls with Joe Montanas and John Elways instead of Walter Peytons. Dallas and Emmit Smith had a good balanced attack but the trend was already passing focused even then. Hardly any NFL team runs the ball consistently at all anymore. (I haven’t watched NFL since all the kneeling stuff started so maybe I’ve missed a new trend but I doubt it.)
If no team was willing to run read options etc with Tim Tebow no team was ever gonna run option with anyone.

 

[whiskey clear]

It's boring when it doesn't work. It's also exciting when you're scoring a lot with it. This is not any different from a modern college offense where it's painful to watch when it doesn't work but exciting when it works. Even TV is okay with the TO offense if you are high powered as evidenced when we peaked early in PJ's career here. This is not why the TO ended. In Nebraska's case, I already knew the answer because I lived in that state in the mid to late 90s. They abandoned the TO offense because they couldn't come back if ever down in a game late. They wanted to integrate a two minute offense which just isn't part of the TO identity. The entire state of fans pressured Nebraska for change and it happened but they never saw success again.

In the modern era, you dont want the TO offense because you wont get any players. It's a different dynamic than the transition years from 30 years ago. Even with substandard players the TO works but if you use us as a single sample point, if goes through a long term degradation due to a feedback loop of less and less capable players.

CPJ rarely had problems with coming from behind late in a game. It was always more about not being able to stop the other team late.