Gimmick Offense

whiskey clear said:
CPJ rarely had problems with coming from behind late in a game. It was always more about not being able to stop the other team late.
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LOL okay you must be watching a different two minute offense than I watched here. Our two minute passing game was some of the most keystone cops football you will ever see.
 
The Champ said:
We have a top rated QB. How is that working out?

Better find a coach that understands how to run a program, can be a leader, instill discipline, hold people accountable, and hire a competent staff. One or two players hasn’t been the issue for 3.25 years.
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Most of Collins recruits have been overrated except J. Gibbs. Coach Collins should have started the Clemson kid from Day 1. J. Sims has shown no improvement over three years. Jeff Sims looks like a Corvette plays like a pinto...IIWII
 
whiskey clear said:
CPJ rarely had problems with coming from behind late in a game. It was always more about not being able to stop the other team late.
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surely you haven’t forgotten watching our offense down 10 proceed to burn 7 minutes of clock and then try 3 Hail Marys. Johnson was great and all, but far from perfect.
 
Lots of corrections.

Leach offense (chuck and duck) is downright enjoyable. Comes no closer to a natty than cpj and 3o, however.

Balance wins cfb championships And a good D.

Strong recruiting and solid coaching win nattys.

Recruiting no better today than 4 years ago. Sorry.

RPO type O is probably closer to what we need. We do need a bit of an O scheme outside the norm, to begin to build back.

Lame Kiffen just proved that despite the threat of an innovative passing game, 7 games per year can be won by the ground game.

To the above, need balance to win natty. (Recency, ugag, bama, klempsum, etc). No leach in that crowd. Solid D and balanced O.

I’d start at an Charleston /army type school with a coach of proven success and a slightly innovative O. Let him use us for a stepping stone. Wouldn’t it be great to go back to back 9-3 years and lose our coach to florida?

No more. Need a blantons.
 
GTFLETCH said:
Most of Collins recruits have been overrated except J. Gibbs. Coach Collins should have started the Clemson kid from Day 1. J. Sims has shown no improvement over three years. Jeff Sims looks like a Corvette plays like a pinto...IIWII
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His recruits would look better if they had some decent coaching/player development. Sims does look the same he did as a true freshman; which is part of the problem. Could say the same about many other guys, or players that saw their on field play regress (Carpenter, Swilling, Thomas are good examples) under this staff
 
GTFLETCH said:
Most of Collins recruits have been overrated except J. Gibbs. Coach Collins should have started the Clemson kid from Day 1. J. Sims has shown no improvement over three years. Jeff Sims looks like a Corvette plays like a pinto...IIWII
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Mostly agree. I haven't seen the performance to match the hype. Jordy even had flashes of effectiveness. Let's try something different.
 
whiskey clear said:
CPJ rarely had problems with coming from behind late in a game. It was always more about not being able to stop the other team late.
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Yeah cause we never got put in a 2 minute offense and asked our qb to sling it only to throw a puck over the middle lol
 
TampaBayJacket said:
I'm kind of curious here. If the TO is the best ever offense, why did everyone abandon it after it peaked in the 80s? Nebraska abandoned the option offense even after winning a couple of natties in the 90s with it. If it is so unstoppable, why did everyone stop using it? Right now it is not in favor with players because of the translation to NFL offenses but what happened 30-40 years ago?

Edit: BTW look at Nebraska if you want a case study the long term effects post TO offense. We are certainly a cautionary tale for any other FBS school possibly tempted to switch to it. Monken will never get hired in FBS other than the academies now.
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Fridge's Flexbone was the best offense I've ever seen, schematically.
 
wesgt123 said:
Yeah cause we never got put in a 2 minute offense and asked our qb to sling it only to throw a puck over the middle lol
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PJ's 2-minute offense consisted of QB scrambling, hopefully OB, for yardage. We literally didn't have those quick sideline-out plays in the playbook. Not once did we ever see a snap and quick sideline throw to a WR who steps OB for a quick pickup of 8. That play took us twice as long and as often as not, the HB who caught the dumpoff pass or the QB scrambling for the 8 wouldn't make it to the sidelines. We had only one real pass play in usage - the sideline bomb or the deep post route down the seam. Those worked more with a decent QB and WR combo but with Taquon back there...yikes, ungood.

We had no 2-minute offense. The PJ Revisionist History gets worse every year lol
 
TampaBayJacket said:
I'm kind of curious here. If the TO is the best ever offense, why did everyone abandon it after it peaked in the 80s? Nebraska abandoned the option offense even after winning a couple of natties in the 90s with it. If it is so unstoppable, why did everyone stop using it? Right now it is not in favor with players because of the translation to NFL offenses but what happened 30-40 years ago?

Edit: BTW look at Nebraska if you want a case study the long term effects post TO offense. We are certainly a cautionary tale for any other FBS school possibly tempted to switch to it. Monken will never get hired in FBS other than the academies now.
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Whatever, 2014 Tech had the most efficient offense on record, with less talent than any of those other top efficient offenses in the same era. Apples to apples with talent, Navy dominated Air Force and Army for years, and Georgia Southern dominated D2 in the 80s and 90s. Probably has just as much to do with an excellent coach, Paul Johnson, as the offense.

I’m a fan of the TO offense but I realize it hurts recruiting and has limits nowadays. Which is why I would still go for some offense that’s different from 90% of what is ran today but could still be popular.

What we’ve seen with the difficulty of the transition is 10 times more Geoff’s fault than the TOs fault.
 
savbandjacket said:
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surely you haven’t forgotten watching our offense down 10 proceed to burn 7 minutes of clock and then try 3 Hail Marys. Johnson was great and all, but far from perfect.
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Down 3 TDs late in the 3rd qtr vs Duke? "Let's Death March 'em!" - PJ, 2018
 
samsgt02 said:
What we’ve seen with the difficulty of the transition is 10 times more Geoff’s fault than the TOs fault.
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I fear you are correct. I tried my hardest to give him a fair shot given the obvious transition difficulty buy the problems we show on the field indicate bad coaching way more than bad talent.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
PJ's 2-minute offense consisted of QB scrambling, hopefully OB, for yardage. We literally didn't have those quick sideline-out plays in the playbook. Not once did we ever see a snap and quick sideline throw to a WR who steps OB for a quick pickup of 8. That play took us twice as long and as often as not, the HB who caught the dumpoff pass or the QB scrambling for the 8 wouldn't make it to the sidelines. We had only one real pass play in usage - the sideline bomb or the deep post route down the seam. Those worked more with a decent QB and WR combo but with Taquon back there...yikes, ungood.

We had no 2-minute offense. The PJ Revisionist History gets worse every year lol
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I’ll agree with this. There was no two minute offense. And calling known pass plays with both your guards with a hand on the ground and the QB under center was a recipe for failure. We briefly had some shotgun plays, but the ended with Nesbitt. Vad had that pistol formation. I’m not sure JT5 took any shotgun passes.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
PJ's 2-minute offense consisted of QB scrambling, hopefully OB, for yardage. We literally didn't have those quick sideline-out plays in the playbook. Not once did we ever see a snap and quick sideline throw to a WR who steps OB for a quick pickup of 8. That play took us twice as long and as often as not, the HB who caught the dumpoff pass or the QB scrambling for the 8 wouldn't make it to the sidelines. We had only one real pass play in usage - the sideline bomb or the deep post route down the seam. Those worked more with a decent QB and WR combo but with Taquon back there...yikes, ungood.

We had no 2-minute offense. The PJ Revisionist History gets worse every year lol
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You're joking right? That's all we did in time-limited situations. I can remember Jeune or Brad Stewart literally doing the 8 yard and OOB route in games.
 
I'm as big of a PJ fan as they come, but to argue we had any semblance of a 2-minute offense (with the possible exception of 2014 Georgia, and a lot of that was dumb luck and a bad call on Richt's part) is kinda ridiculous.
 
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