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Now that Geoff and Todd are officially out the hunting season begins, and I have seen several people recommending we go after Todd Monken or Brian Bohannon and return to the TO. My opinion is that type of decision would be worse that keeping Geoff. It’s a major step backwards and right now not sure we can be any further behind as a program.

The only places that continue to run the TO are the service academies, and they only do that because they can’t recruit at the level needed to compete at the FBS level. For all of his faults as a HC, Geoff could recruit and proved Tech could attract talent at the most critical spots in college football: OL and DL.

My preference is we look at the model and coaches targeted by Wake and NC State. Both schools in my opinion have a similar makeup as Tech in terms of students, academics, alum, resources, etc. You might even be able to make a case Tech is better or worse in some cases, but by and large I think all three schools occupy the same spot in the college football landscape.

That said I don’t think anyone would argue Tech has competed at the same level as Wake and State over the past 5 years. Both schools went and hired good football coaches who teach fundamentals and hold players and staff accountable. Yes, neither one of them were OMG hires, but both schools have benefited from guys who know the game and have made both programs very competitive in the ACC.

Tech doesn’t need to return to the TO or to hire Deion. What we need is steady hand who can teach the game. Over the past three plus years it is very obvious Geoff and his staff lacked either the knowledge, will power, or both to eliminate the mental mistakes that have haunted this program since he arrived. Add to that what seems to be a willingness to continue using players making the same mistakes and it’s a bad recipe.

For me, give me a Dave Clawson or Dave Doren type and I will be fine. Maybe 5 years from now we can discuss playing for ACC Championships but for now I just want to see a team stop playing both the opponent and themselves and that is what NC State and Wake do well.
 
Winston-Salem and Raleigh are not Atlanta. We can't be quietly competent. We have to have field competence and media savvy. That isn't easy.
 
Now that Geoff and Todd are officially out the hunting season begins, and I have seen several people recommending we go after Todd Monken or Brian Bohannon and return to the TO. My opinion is that type of decision would be worse that keeping Geoff. It’s a major step backwards and right now not sure we can be any further behind as a program.

The only places that continue to run the TO are the service academies, and they only do that because they can’t recruit at the level needed to compete at the FBS level. For all of his faults as a HC, Geoff could recruit and proved Tech could attract talent at the most critical spots in college football: OL and DL.

My preference is we look at the model and coaches targeted by Wake and NC State. Both schools in my opinion have a similar makeup as Tech in terms of students, academics, alum, resources, etc. You might even be able to make a case Tech is better or worse in some cases, but by and large I think all three schools occupy the same spot in the college football landscape.

That said I don’t think anyone would argue Tech has competed at the same level as Wake and State over the past 5 years. Both schools went and hired good football coaches who teach fundamentals and hold players and staff accountable. Yes, neither one of them were OMG hires, but both schools have benefited from guys who know the game and have made both programs very competitive in the ACC.

Tech doesn’t need to return to the TO or to hire Deion. What we need is steady hand who can teach the game. Over the past three plus years it is very obvious Geoff and his staff lacked either the knowledge, will power, or both to eliminate the mental mistakes that have haunted this program since he arrived. Add to that what seems to be a willingness to continue using players making the same mistakes and it’s a bad recipe.

For me, give me a Dave Clawson or Dave Doren type and I will be fine. Maybe 5 years from now we can discuss playing for ACC Championships but for now I just want to see a team stop playing both the opponent and themselves and that is what NC State and Wake do well.
Not sure why we needed a new thread to discuss this. Also, TL;DR
 
I have seen several people recommending we go after Todd Monken or Brian Bohannon and return to the TO. My opinion is that type of decision would be worse that keeping Geoff. It’s a major step backwards and right now not sure we can be any further behind as a program.

The only places that continue to run the TO are the service academies, and they only do that because they can’t recruit at the level needed to compete at the FBS level. For all of his faults as a HC, Geoff could recruit and proved Tech could attract talent at the most critical spots in college football: OL and DL.

Todd is @ Ugag. You're thinking of Jeff.

And no, there isn't "several" people recommending a return to option based football.

And no, the current OL at GT is terribad right now. Or, if there really is talent there, then Key is even worse than I thought.

And the guy @ NCSU is benefiting from 90% of the ACC being hot garbage currently. The Wake coach I do like (and he's not coming to GT).
 
You do know Todd isn't TO right?
Yes typing too fast. Meant Jeff.
I think Todd will get a look just because of his success at UGA. Question is does he make more money as an OC at UGA or as a HC at Tech. Plus I don't think he has any HC experience so that comes with a ton of risk.
 
Todd is @ Ugag. You're thinking of Jeff.

And no, there isn't "several" people recommending a return to option based football.

And no, the current OL at GT is terribad right now. Or, if there really is talent there, then Key is even worse than I thought.

And the guy @ NCSU is benefiting from 90% of the ACC being hot garbage currently. The Wake coach I do like (and he's not coming to GT).
Disagree with your view on Tech people calling for a return to the TO. There have been multiple threads discussing making a call to Jeff Monken. It seems like a constant point of conversation over the past several months. Yes he has modified the TO at Army but it's still a base TO offense. NFL type talent will not come to Tech on either side of the ball if the TO returns.

And not sure you are giving Doren enough credit at NC State. The program is on better footing than you think, and would say State is has a higher ceiling under Doren than UNC under Brown.
 
Disagree with your view on Tech people calling for a return to the TO. There have been multiple threads discussing making a call to Jeff Monken. It seems like a constant point of conversation over the past several months. Yes he has modified the TO at Army but it's still a base TO offense. NFL type talent will not come to Tech on either side of the ball if the TO returns.

And not sure you are giving Doren enough credit at NC State. The program is on better footing than you think, and would say State is has a higher ceiling under Doren than UNC under Brown.
NFL talent isn't coming to Tech now and recruiting is about where it was under Johnson. The only difference is Johnson actually won with his recruits.
 
The coach you’re looking for is Curt Cignetti. He may not want to move to big city life though.
 
Now that Geoff and Todd are officially out the hunting season begins, and I have seen several people recommending we go after Todd Monken or Brian Bohannon and return to the TO. My opinion is that type of decision would be worse that keeping Geoff. It’s a major step backwards and right now not sure we can be any further behind as a program.

The only places that continue to run the TO are the service academies, and they only do that because they can’t recruit at the level needed to compete at the FBS level. For all of his faults as a HC, Geoff could recruit and proved Tech could attract talent at the most critical spots in college football: OL and DL.

My preference is we look at the model and coaches targeted by Wake and NC State. Both schools in my opinion have a similar makeup as Tech in terms of students, academics, alum, resources, etc. You might even be able to make a case Tech is better or worse in some cases, but by and large I think all three schools occupy the same spot in the college football landscape.

That said I don’t think anyone would argue Tech has competed at the same level as Wake and State over the past 5 years. Both schools went and hired good football coaches who teach fundamentals and hold players and staff accountable. Yes, neither one of them were OMG hires, but both schools have benefited from guys who know the game and have made both programs very competitive in the ACC.

Tech doesn’t need to return to the TO or to hire Deion. What we need is steady hand who can teach the game. Over the past three plus years it is very obvious Geoff and his staff lacked either the knowledge, will power, or both to eliminate the mental mistakes that have haunted this program since he arrived. Add to that what seems to be a willingness to continue using players making the same mistakes and it’s a bad recipe.

For me, give me a Dave Clawson or Dave Doren type and I will be fine. Maybe 5 years from now we can discuss playing for ACC Championships but for now I just want to see a team stop playing both the opponent and themselves and that is what NC State and Wake do well.

Struggling to think of this CGC-recruited OL talent you’re talking about. We literally recruited more high profile HS OL under CPJ. We’ve been patched together with grad transfers and atl natives who transferred back after not cracking lineups in their original schools. A complete lack of OL talent is essentially the reason why CGC/Key failed here.
 
Tech doesn’t need to return to the TO or to hire Deion. What we need is steady hand who can teach the game.
Nnow that you mention it:
Bobby Dodd - transitioned football practice from hellish conditioning to precise play execution

Alexander - Toe meets leather, apprentice to Heisman

John Heisman - basically invented 20th century Football
 
Now that Geoff and Todd are officially out the hunting season begins, and I have seen several people recommending we go after Todd Monken or Brian Bohannon and return to the TO. My opinion is that type of decision would be worse that keeping Geoff. It’s a major step backwards and right now not sure we can be any further behind as a program.

The only places that continue to run the TO are the service academies, and they only do that because they can’t recruit at the level needed to compete at the FBS level. For all of his faults as a HC, Geoff could recruit and proved Tech could attract talent at the most critical spots in college football: OL and DL.

My preference is we look at the model and coaches targeted by Wake and NC State. Both schools in my opinion have a similar makeup as Tech in terms of students, academics, alum, resources, etc. You might even be able to make a case Tech is better or worse in some cases, but by and large I think all three schools occupy the same spot in the college football landscape.

That said I don’t think anyone would argue Tech has competed at the same level as Wake and State over the past 5 years. Both schools went and hired good football coaches who teach fundamentals and hold players and staff accountable. Yes, neither one of them were OMG hires, but both schools have benefited from guys who know the game and have made both programs very competitive in the ACC.

Tech doesn’t need to return to the TO or to hire Deion. What we need is steady hand who can teach the game. Over the past three plus years it is very obvious Geoff and his staff lacked either the knowledge, will power, or both to eliminate the mental mistakes that have haunted this program since he arrived. Add to that what seems to be a willingness to continue using players making the same mistakes and it’s a bad recipe.

For me, give me a Dave Clawson or Dave Doren type and I will be fine. Maybe 5 years from now we can discuss playing for ACC Championships but for now I just want to see a team stop playing both the opponent and themselves and that is what NC State and Wake do well.
agree......TO we knew would sit us back when Paul left and face it other teams were on tous........just like to see a fundamental sound football team playing hard
 
Now that Geoff and Todd are officially out the hunting season begins, and I have seen several people recommending we go after Todd Monken or Brian Bohannon and return to the TO. My opinion is that type of decision would be worse that keeping Geoff. It’s a major step backwards and right now not sure we can be any further behind as a program.

The only places that continue to run the TO are the service academies, and they only do that because they can’t recruit at the level needed to compete at the FBS level. For all of his faults as a HC, Geoff could recruit and proved Tech could attract talent at the most critical spots in college football: OL and DL.


I'm not saying we have to go back to the option (this caveat is becoming repetitive), but why is it a major "step backward"? None of what you listed as support is any more true today than it was when CPJ retired. We still landed good recruits with CPJ and it's arguable how well GC has actually recruited considering he was still starting CPJ's players and the lack of wins by the team. How do we know the comments from other ACC coaches about the GT commits being over-rated (or wtte) aren't true?

Digging into details:
Our OL has been a weak point under GC, so why do you think we're recruiting better here?
CPJ landed some high profile DL: Gotsis, Kallon (bust), Adams
CPJ landed several high profile WR: Waller, Hill, Smelter*, Camp, Autry (bust)
 
I agree with 99 percent of this post, but going back to the 3-O would not be worse than keeping Goof troop Collins. That is all
the fact that people "pooed" this shows that there are actually some people who, if given the option between keeping Collins and going back to the "bone," they would have opted to keep Collins. But then again, I guess those people also could just be trolling dwag fans...
 
People I don't care what offense we run because any offense that is well coached will work anywhere. We just need to get a coach that can teach his system to the assistants that can then teach that to the players. A coach that holds players accountable & rewards & punishes when needed.
 
Now that Geoff and Todd are officially out the hunting season begins, and I have seen several people recommending we go after Todd Monken or Brian Bohannon and return to the TO. My opinion is that type of decision would be worse that keeping Geoff. It’s a major step backwards and right now not sure we can be any further behind as a program.

The only places that continue to run the TO are the service academies, and they only do that because they can’t recruit at the level needed to compete at the FBS level. For all of his faults as a HC, Geoff could recruit and proved Tech could attract talent at the most critical spots in college football: OL and DL.

My preference is we look at the model and coaches targeted by Wake and NC State. Both schools in my opinion have a similar makeup as Tech in terms of students, academics, alum, resources, etc. You might even be able to make a case Tech is better or worse in some cases, but by and large I think all three schools occupy the same spot in the college football landscape.

That said I don’t think anyone would argue Tech has competed at the same level as Wake and State over the past 5 years. Both schools went and hired good football coaches who teach fundamentals and hold players and staff accountable. Yes, neither one of them were OMG hires, but both schools have benefited from guys who know the game and have made both programs very competitive in the ACC.

Tech doesn’t need to return to the TO or to hire Deion. What we need is steady hand who can teach the game. Over the past three plus years it is very obvious Geoff and his staff lacked either the knowledge, will power, or both to eliminate the mental mistakes that have haunted this program since he arrived. Add to that what seems to be a willingness to continue using players making the same mistakes and it’s a bad recipe.

For me, give me a Dave Clawson or Dave Doren type and I will be fine. Maybe 5 years from now we can discuss playing for ACC Championships but for now I just want to see a team stop playing both the opponent and themselves and that is what NC State and Wake do well.

Dave Doren? Really? We have 4 national titles and you want to temper your expectations to this? Holy freaking crap.
 
Now that Geoff and Todd are officially out the hunting season begins, and I have seen several people recommending we go after Todd Monken or Brian Bohannon and return to the TO. My opinion is that type of decision would be worse that keeping Geoff. It’s a major step backwards and right now not sure we can be any further behind as a program.

The only places that continue to run the TO are the service academies, and they only do that because they can’t recruit at the level needed to compete at the FBS level. For all of his faults as a HC, Geoff could recruit and proved Tech could attract talent at the most critical spots in college football: OL and DL.

My preference is we look at the model and coaches targeted by Wake and NC State. Both schools in my opinion have a similar makeup as Tech in terms of students, academics, alum, resources, etc. You might even be able to make a case Tech is better or worse in some cases, but by and large I think all three schools occupy the same spot in the college football landscape.

That said I don’t think anyone would argue Tech has competed at the same level as Wake and State over the past 5 years. Both schools went and hired good football coaches who teach fundamentals and hold players and staff accountable. Yes, neither one of them were OMG hires, but both schools have benefited from guys who know the game and have made both programs very competitive in the ACC.

Tech doesn’t need to return to the TO or to hire Deion. What we need is steady hand who can teach the game. Over the past three plus years it is very obvious Geoff and his staff lacked either the knowledge, will power, or both to eliminate the mental mistakes that have haunted this program since he arrived. Add to that what seems to be a willingness to continue using players making the same mistakes and it’s a bad recipe.

For me, give me a Dave Clawson or Dave Doren type and I will be fine. Maybe 5 years from now we can discuss playing for ACC Championships but for now I just want to see a team stop playing both the opponent and themselves and that is what NC State and Wake do well.
Zero chance we ever return to the TO. The rules changed during PJs tenure and made it increasingly difficult execute blocks without being flagged. As to that the inability to recruit defensive players, and it would be 5 wins a season max.
 
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