God, Saturday please...also some interesing notables

Another Perspective of CPJ's Offence

It is the only offense that I know of that gives you four receivers (2 SEs and 2 A-Backs) and four running backs (QB, B-Back, 2A-Backs) on the field at the same time. That's a combination that is pretty tough to defend!
 
beej, you need to go back to school. Run an option play from the wishbone formation and run it from the flexbone (which is what we run) formation. It's only similar in that you have three options to hand the ball off to. The blocking schemes are totally different.
 
Yeah, it's not the wishbone, but it did evolve out of the wishbone. That was what they ran at GSU when Russell and CPJ decided to move the backs up to the line so they could pass better. CPJ explains: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSR3Y-yl1iQ

They realized that while in this formation,
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they were still able to run the same option run plays that they loved running out of the wishbone.

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With a little motion, you can see how similiar they are at the snap.

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Here you can see how the same Triple Option is run out of the Wishbone,
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and here the Flexbone.

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The only difference is the playside back, who is the lead blocker, is now up near the line instead of coming out of the backfield.

The Flexbone is essentially the base Run and Shoot formation. So this obviously allows you to run pass plays that the Wishbone doesn't. So it gives you the run offense of the Wishbone with the pass offense of the Run and Shoot. I don't think you can say it's one of the other. Just like CPJ says in the video, it's a combination of a couple different offenses. This is probably why he doesn't call it a "bone", he calls it a Spread because the Run and Shoot is the original Spread. Hopefully this helps some folks and I'm not screwing it all up.
 
He didn't call it a wishbone offense. He called it a wishbone BASED offense, meaning the basic play of both offenses is the triple option. Splitting the half backs (yes, I am old) gives more flexibility to open it up.
Hey, I don't give a crap what anybody calls it as long as it wins football games.
 
BerryGT said:
This is probably why he doesn't call it a "bone", he calls it a Spread because the Run and Shoot is the original Spread. Hopefully this helps some folks and I'm not screwing it all up.
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Yeah he never says "bone" of any type.

Its the "option based spread" out of the "double slot" base formation people.
 
JWE37 said:
Yeah he never says "bone" of any type.

Its the "option based spread" out of the "double slot" base formation people.
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It is the flexbone formation. If you don't believe me, look it up guru.
 
BarrelORum said:
It is the flexbone formation. If you don't believe me, look it up guru.
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The Flexbone and the original Run and Shoot Formation are nearly the exact same thing. They even both use RB's as the slot backs and pull them in tight on the line. I think the only difference is that the Fullback was probably only in a 2 point stance instead of a 3 like in the Flexbone. The Run and Shoot formation we're all more familiar with used 2 WRs instead of RBs in the slot back position and they were split out. This is what is used more commonly today, but it wasn't the orginal formation according to most things I've read on the inventors Tiger Ellison and Mouse Davis.
 
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