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Re: Not buying it

You're missing his point pw. He's not saying kids go to ugag because of their course offering. But they go there with an understanding that they can take something easy if they choose to. If you're going to pick an easy major at Tech what would you pick? The fact is many of the top HS recruits aren't going to college to get a degree, they're going to play football. So they want to work just as little as possible while they're still in school. That's why PE, Family studies, etc., are so prevalent when they show players' majors on TV. But you're right, nobody goes to a school because their PE department is highly ranked.
 
Re: Not buying it

NC,

I do understand what he's saying. Saying everything we offer is too difficult is much different from the "too narrow of curriculum" argument. These thoughts shouldn't be confused.

I believe JOJATK has agreed with me on the need to search for SAs that can handle Tech. I believe we only differ on whether Tech has a broad enough offering of majors for the non scientist. I happen to think Tech does, and its not only my degree, management.
Now, I do hope that we will be adding The Kim King school of Commercial Development, and/or others in the near future.
 
Re: Not buying it

We do seem to do a terrible job of informing kids of what we have to offer, I agree with that 100%. I still think that there is a sizeable percentage of the top ranked recruits who will not go to a school that requires calculus and where there isn't a major that not only is easy but sounds easy. Those are the kids we have to write off quickly, even if our know-it-all fans don't want to accept it. But to your point, we do need to do better at targeting kids who can handle Tech.
 
Re: Not buying it

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But to your point, we do need to do better at targeting kids who can handle Tech.

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That's all I am trying to say. Thanks for boiling it down to the important thought!
 
We are saying mostly the same thing

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JOJA,

The limited curriculum angle is as worn as the "too tough" excuse. To believe this argument is to believe that Mr. "Take Yourpick" at uga went there because of their excellent Parks and Recreation (or whatever) program.

Tech could be broader but its broad enough to recruit nationally for 20 SAs per year. A kid will want to come to Tech to play for a championship and to get a world renowned degree.
If we miss on a few brilliant SAs that want to study Latin, that's the way it goes.

Believe me that very, very few high school seniors going on to play D-1 football know exactly what they want to study.
If someone is capable of Ga. Tech, he will find a very suitable degree program.

I know what I dream of isn't close at the moment, but I believe it could be with the right people and the right approach.

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Your response actually indicates that you did NOT get what my point was. You continue to want to make what I said into an excuse for not getting top athletes and that is not anywhere close to my point. I think you actually understand and mostly AGREE with my point but you didn't see that that was what I was getting at.

Think of putting together a list of athletes to recruit (I'm not talking about winning recruiting battles here, I'm just talking about putting together a list of kids to start out recruiting) like pouring a 10lb bag of pebbles through a strainer. UGA, Florida, FSU, USC (both east and west), Texas, etc... use a strainer that can let through pebbles through that are as big as 100mm in diameter. GT looks at the same 10lb bag of pebbles and instead of picking up a 100mm strainer has to pick up a 1mm strainer. Obviously the 100mm strainer will let through a larger number of pebbles than the 1mm strainer. I'm exagerating as I have no idea what the ratio really is so please don't harp on the 1/100 ratio. I will concede that the ratio may be 1/50 or 1/10 or whatever. But the ratio is NOT in our favor.

The different size strainers are representative, in this case, of both admissions AND curriculum interests. So what we are left with is a much smaller pile of pebbles than many other schools from which we can choose.

Now I know you DID understand that part so don't get all up in arms yet.

Where you seem to be tripping is that I'm not suggesting that this is preventing us from getting top athletes. I'm suggesting that in order to be successful we need to have better aim because we have a smaller list from which to choose than many other schools and many of those other schools can recruit from their larger lists AND our smaller list. So when we go out we absolutely MUST do a great job of executing on our recruiting plans and we had better be right about the athletes to whom we offer scholarships. This means that recruiting has got to be absolutely more laser focused than at some other places and now add in the probation and it has to be even more laser focused because we can't afford to miss on a single kid right now (meaning that the kids we bring in HAVE to be contributors, not that we can't afford to have a kid we target NOT commmit).

So again, this is not to be confused as an excuse for not bringing in top athletes. It is merely to point out that it is a very real limitation that makes the list of kids we can look at smaller than other schools with whom we compete both on the field and for recruits.

In truth you actually made part of my point for me. I agree that many athletes don't know what they want to study when they come to college. In fact I think that that certainly extends to many students in general. And many of them know that they don't know what they want to study and will be more likely to avail themselves of places that have larger varieties of curricular offerings.
 
You know what JOJATK?

I don't think we are disagreeing on anything, at least in my mind.
If what I wrote seemed to stray from this, its only because of banging out the words quickly.

Yes, I passionately agree that our viable prospect pipeline is much, much smaller than any school I can think of.
That is why I am so in favor of developing a strong national "brand recognition" of Tech. We will have to potentially use the entire country in order to yield the same numbers as a "school" like Ga.

If you are with me on that, we agree.
 
Re: Doesn\'t matter if you\'re \"buying\" anything

I'm a pretty simple person and not very book smart and i struggle at GT but not embarassed about it. It was hard, but one thing that stuck out to me during the recruiting process when i was in HS was that all the ga people talked about was football, GT people and Alums talked about life after football.

We need alums in the counties of kids we are recruiting to talk to these kids and parents at games or on the street and promote GT and what it truely means, i honestly think that we would pick up 4 to 6 more 3+ star recruits when the parents get involved.

Thank GOD my dad told me i had to take all my visits before i decided and THANK GOD GT was my last visit. Hell i promote GT up here in Buffalo and will when i get to West Palm by months end.

When these kids see how passionate we are about our school, believe me it opens their eyes.

The gins kicking in sorry to ramble.
 
Re: You know what JOJATK?

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I don't think we are disagreeing on anything, at least in my mind.
If what I wrote seemed to stray from this, its only because of banging out the words quickly.

Yes, I passionately agree that our viable prospect pipeline is much, much smaller than any school I can think of.
That is why I am so in favor of developing a strong national "brand recognition" of Tech. We will have to potentially use the entire country in order to yield the same numbers as a "school" like Ga.

If you are with me on that, we agree.

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I would say we are in violent AGREEMENT on that ;)

The funny thing is that my best friend and I (Legaljacket1 on the Hive) can sit and argue for 20 minutes with each other only to realize at the end that we were both trying to make the same point.

I think that your "strong national brand" comment is extremely on point and I wish that GT would work harder than it does to establish that both for the sake of the school academically as well as athletically.
 
Re: Doesn\'t matter if you\'re \"buying\" anything

Bingo John.

Nothing like a Sapphire and tonic to help spread the truth!

I agree that grass roots recruiting for Tech to parents, or those responsible for the future SAs is definitely the ticket.

In a fit of guilt last week I spoke to Lucius Sanford about how this year I want to get more involved with things benefitting the program.
Starting a new business had put a temporary suspension to the AT contribution.

In very positive news for Tech, Lucius told me of several things that the Letterwinner's club is getting off the ground for the benefit of the current athletic program. All of what he said matches up with JD's comments above.

I am in full agreement that it's the responsibility of all Tech people scattered around the country to do what we can to strengthen this program.
We have a great product to sell. Organization is what is needed the most.
 
Re: Doesn\'t matter if you\'re \"buying\" anything

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I'm a pretty simple person and not very book smart and i struggle at GT but not embarassed about it. It was hard, but one thing that stuck out to me during the recruiting process when i was in HS was that all the ga people talked about was football, GT people and Alums talked about life after football.

We need alums in the counties of kids we are recruiting to talk to these kids and parents at games or on the street and promote GT and what it truely means, i honestly think that we would pick up 4 to 6 more 3+ star recruits when the parents get involved.

Thank GOD my dad told me i had to take all my visits before i decided and THANK GOD GT was my last visit. Hell i promote GT up here in Buffalo and will when i get to West Palm by months end.

When these kids see how passionate we are about our school, believe me it opens their eyes.

The gins kicking in sorry to ramble.

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John, those are great comments and truths about how GT is really different than the football factories. I would imagine that that would be even more an emphasis today considering the type of man Chan Gailey is.
 
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