Here's a sobering thought ... (bowl prognistication)

You have to wonder how much the bowls factor in the small amount of tickets that Tech fans usually buy. Remember 2 years ago Tech was considered the front runner for the Music City Bowl, but Virginia guaranteed that they would buy 12,000 tickets and got the invite. Tech got screwed on that one because we had the better record. I don't think that UVA even sold 12,000 tix for the game.:eek:
 
beej67 said:
The ACC has 8 bowl tie ins, and a 9th possibility with the Eagle Bank bowl, which can choose either ACC#9 or MAC#4.

The ACC may have 10 bowl eligible teams, and the top four of the MAC look reasonably strong.


If we lose our next 2 games, could we end the year bowl eligible but without a bowl to go to?
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In Short... No (assume NCSt and Duke are out of the picture)

Look at UVA. They are 5-5 with Clemson and VT. They would have to win out to take a bowl from us because no 6-6 team can go bowling over a 7+ win team. If they do win out, Clemson is OUT.

Could the #4 MAC team take the ACC spot if we have 9 eligible teams? That's another question entirely.

No - According to the Eagle Bank Bowl Web-site:
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Monday, November 10, 2008
EIGHT ACC SCHOOLS HAVE QUALIFIED FOR INAUGURAL EAGLEBANK BOWL
The U.S. Naval Academy football team has already accepted an invitation to participate in the inaugural 2008 EagleBank Bowl, which takes place on Saturday, December 20, at RFK Stadium. A win by Virginia against either Clemson or Virginia Tech would make the Cavaliers the ninth team to qualify and guarantee an Atlantic Coast Conference opponent for Navy.


You are talking about Akron, Buffalo, Bowling Green or Northern Ill... Let's just say if we are left at home, DRAD can spend the time finding a new job.

Beat miami; beat ugag... Nothing to worry about
 
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yellowbritchies said:
You have to wonder how much the bowls factor in the small amount of tickets that Tech fans usually buy. Remember 2 years ago Tech was considered the front runner for the Music City Bowl, but Virginia guaranteed that they would buy 12,000 tickets and got the invite. Tech got screwed on that one because we had the better record. I don't think that UVA even sold 12,000 tix for the game.:eek:
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The Music City Bowl got screwed too, though, so they might have second thoughts about turning Tech away this time around.

Look at UVA. They are 5-5 with Clemson and VT. They would have to win out to take a bowl from us because no 6-6 team can go bowling over a 7+ win team.
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Untrue. UVA could get bowl eligibile by going 1-1 in their next two games, which would be 4-4 in the ACC, with a head to head win over us, so they'd be ranked higher in ACC play than us if we lose to Miami. A bowl would have to actively choose to pass them over to take us.

Nice to hear that the MAC can't get the spot if we've got a team to fill it.
 
beej67 said:
The Music City Bowl got screwed too, though, so they might have second thoughts about turning Tech away this time around.



Untrue. UVA could get bowl eligibile by going 1-1 in their next two games, which would be 4-4 in the ACC, with a head to head win over us, so they'd be ranked higher in ACC play than us if we lose to Miami. A bowl would have to actively choose to pass them over to take us.

Nice to hear that the MAC can't get the spot if we've got a team to fill it.
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6-6 UVA cannot go to a bowl over a 7-5 GT team. Right?
 
If we lose our next 2 games, I will be taking on the "who gives a **** attitude".
 
6-6 UVA cannot go to a bowl over a 7-5 GT team. Right?
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Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 90% sure it's ACC standing that matters. If we're both 4-4 in conference and all four of Tech's conference losses are in our division, we will be 2nd to last in our division, only above Duke, because we will have lost the tiebreaker with every other team in our division.
 
beej67 said:
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 90% sure it's ACC standing that matters. If we're both 4-4 in conference and all four of Tech's conference losses are in our division, we will be 2nd to last in our division, only above Duke, because we will have lost the tiebreaker with every other team in our division.
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I'm not talking about ranking for selection. I believe the NCAA rule is that no .500 team can go bowling unless all the teams in that conf with a winning record are bowling?
 
I believe the NCAA rule is that no .500 team can go bowling unless all the teams in that conf with a winning record are bowling?
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I'd never heard that before.

If that's the case, then we could still go to a bowl, but they could still send us to the west coast for it.
 
beej67 said:
I'd never heard that before.

If that's the case, then we could still go to a bowl, but they could still send us to the west coast for it.
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I believe that I've heard something about that, beej, but I can't be sure.

As for who gets picked over who, IIRC, the ACC rule is: Using ACC W/L, no team can jump a team with more than a 1 ACC win advantage. IOW, a 4-4 team cannot jump a 6-2 team in the pecking order w/o that team's permission (as we did to UVA in the Champ's Bowl a few years back). I believe the rule states that if they're within one conference game of another team, then they can jump the order. That will be a big issue this year, as we're all looking like 4-4/5-3 teams. It could get ugly.
 
I found this quote from a Stewart Mandel (Sports Illustrated) article from late 2007:

"Note that a bowl can only select a 6-6 team from a conference if no 7-5 teams from that league are still available (or if it can guarantee a spot elsewhere for the 7-5 team). Similarly, bowls seeking an 'at-large' team to replace a conference that did not produce enough eligible teams cannot choose a 6-6 team if there is a 7-5 team available. "

(from http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/11/26/bowl.projections.1126/
 
BuzzKD911 said:
6-6 UVA cannot go to a bowl over a 7-5 GT team. Right?
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I'm going to bold this so people stop mistating our overall record in their arguments:

We're currently a 6-5 team due to our TWO Div 1aa wins. Only one of those counts.
 
beej67 said:
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 90% sure it's ACC standing that matters. If we're both 4-4 in conference and all four of Tech's conference losses are in our division, we will be 2nd to last in our division, only above Duke, because we will have lost the tiebreaker with every other team in our division.
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You are correct sir!
But not to worry. We will beat Miami like a redheaded step-chile.
 
GTWannaBee said:
I'm going to bold this so people stop mistating our overall record in their arguments:

We're currently a 6-5 team due to our TWO Div 1aa wins. Only one of those counts.
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Well actually we're 7-3, but for bowl eligability we are 6-3. Worst we can be is 6-5 for BE and that's a winning record where as 6-6 is not...

Got it?
 
GTWannaBee said:
I'm going to bold this so people stop mistating our overall record in their arguments:

We're currently a 6-5 team due to our TWO Div 1aa wins. Only one of those counts.
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I may be wrong, but I respectfully disagree. If you have authority that supports your point that we are actually considered a 6-win team, I'd like to see it. What I think is that the rule about Div 1aa wins is nothing more than a barrier to bowl eligibility. But, once you are bowl eligible, your 7-5 record still trumps any 6-6 record for purposes of the what-if-we-get-left-out-altogether scenario. All of our wins count. It's just that we needed one more win to be bowl eligible. To mirror the Stewart Mandel quote, even if we lost out, we would be both (a) 7-5 and also (b) bowl eligible. Elements met.
 
GiveEmHellJackets said:
I may be wrong, but I respectfully disagree. If you have authority that supports your point that we are actually considered a 6-win team, I'd like to see it. What I think is that the rule about Div 1aa wins is nothing more than a barrier to bowl eligibility. But, once you are bowl eligible, your 7-5 record still trumps any 6-6 record for purposes of the what-if-we-get-left-out-altogether scenario. All of our wins count. It's just that we needed one more win to be bowl eligible. To mirror the Stewart Mandel quote, even if we lost out, we would be both (a) 7-5 and also (b) bowl eligible. Elements met.
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GTWannabe (and Mandel) are correct.

The NCAA handbook is here: http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/football/2008/psfootball_handbook.pdf

Also, it is kind of a good thing that the DI-AA win doesn't count, since the worst we can do is go 6-5 for bowl eligibility, which is a winning record as opposed to 6-6.
 
ASimPerson said:
GTWannabe (and Mandel) are correct.

The NCAA handbook is here: http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/football/2008/psfootball_handbook.pdf

Also, it is kind of a good thing that the DI-AA win doesn't count, since the worst we can do is go 6-5 for bowl eligibility, which is a winning record as opposed to 6-6.
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I read the handbook, and seems to me that it says (starting on page 9) that while we had to get to 7 wins to be eligible, our 7-5 would still trump a 6-6 for purposes of filling an at-large spot. Nothing there says that one of our wins doesn't count. We just needed an extra win to be eligible. The part about 7-5 vs 6-6 doesn't qualify the 7-5. 7-5 is 7-5. My point is not to gloat that I am right; I am just trying to get to the bottom of this. If I am wrong, someone is welcome to point out to me the language that says I am wrong. (It is a loooong document.)
 
What the hell is all this talk about being left out??? You bunch of pussies!! You all make it sound like we mine as well go ahead and forfeit our next two games. Screw you guys were 7-3 and after we kick the living sh!t out of UM and UGAg we will be 9-3! Grow a pair of balls and have some faith in your team!!!
 
GT_LUVER said:
What the hell is all this talk about being left out??? You bunch of pussies!! You all make it sound like we mine as well go ahead and forfeit our next two games. Screw you guys were 7-3 and after we kick the living sh!t out of UM and UGAg we will be 9-3! Grow a pair of balls and have some faith in your team!!!
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Actually, the best we can be is 8-3 (minus the 2nd FCS game).

The wording in the document by the NCAA is a little confusing. I personally interpret it as only one FCS win counts period, but it's certainly not spelled out exactly - so it can be interpreted the other way as well.

As for your post, you may want to chill out a bit. All anyone is doing is speculating on the worst case scenario. Your post makes you sound like a prick (which I'm sure you're not).

As for my original post, I realize that I too sounded like a prick. I realized that after I had hit the road for a two-hour drive. My goal was simply to bold the fact that only one game counts toward bowl considerations (which is now back up for debate). It obviously came off wrong - my bad.
 
GT_LUVER said:
What the hell is all this talk about being left out??? You bunch of pussies!! You all make it sound like we mine as well go ahead and forfeit our next two games. Screw you guys were 7-3 and after we kick the living sh!t out of UM and UGAg we will be 9-3! Grow a pair of balls and have some faith in your team!!!
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:drink2::biggthumpup:
 
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