Here's what chaps ****** about Chan

TampaJacket said:
BOR,

Are you sure you're not confusing starting lineups and depth charts with number of plays played, with the latter being far more important than the former? It seems to me that JJ's number of plays has decreased, even if the starting lineup hasn't changed.

That said, I agree that Gailey favors experience over talent, all other things being equal, but this is not exactly a new concept. This concept limits mistakes, and is in-line with his overall coaching philosophy. Don't expect that to change anytime soon.

The same can be said of STs, although I'm not so sure that it is Chan calling the shots as to who fields punts -- are you privy to who makes that call? How do you know that they would rather have sure hands back there so as to not make a big mistake, rather than base the decision on "injuring a playmaker"?

That said, how do you know that the skill levels are what you think they are? Do you watch practices, do you know the injury status of these players? Do you have the level of information on these players the coaches do? Just like the second string quaterback is the favorite player on a struggling team, the second teamers at other positions are susceptible to the same error in logic.

There are reasons these players are second string, as much as it peeves you to believe Chan and our coaching staff might just know what they are doing, you must admit that they have both better information than you as well as more experience than you....but I know, that doesn't make for impactful, pot-stirring posts, and I shouldn't take you too seriously. So thank you for the opportunity to respond...Mike
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I guess I could have summarized my post to you by just saying:

Oh ok, I must be wrong. I should just trust the coaches. Yeah, that's the ticket! Give me a break.
 
would anyone believe that Tyler Evans is averaging more yards per punt return (11.3) than either CJ Spiller (11.2) or Jacoby Ford (9.9).

There have been 4 punt returns for TD's this year...two of them by Eddie Royal though..clearly one of the top punt returners in the country and future NFL punt return specialits. he is at 18.5 ypr and everyone trails him by 5+ yards.

As an aside...Andrew Smith averages 12.0 and is 4th in the conference...yet he had the critical fumble against UVA.
 
hiveredtech said:
would anyone believe that Tyler Evans is averaging more yards per punt return (11.3) than either CJ Spiller (11.2) or Jacoby Ford (9.9).

There have been 4 punt returns for TD's this year...two of them by Eddie Royal though..clearly one of the top punt returners in the country and future NFL punt return specialits. he is at 18.5 ypr and everyone trails him by 5+ yards.

As an aside...Andrew Smith averages 12.0 and is 4th in the conference...yet he had the critical fumble against UVA.
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we are now 35th in punt returns vs 84th (end of last season),seems ok to me
 
BarrelORum said:
As head coach, he can make any decision he wants to, and not putting someone in there that has the ability to break open a play is getting stupid. 4 years ago when we were hurting on depth, I understand that. But we aren't anymore.
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How did "putting someone in there that has the ability to break open a play" work against UVA? Oh yeah...now I remember. Man, I love hindsight. ;)


BarrelORum said:
Wait a minute, did you just convince yourself out of agreeing with me? I read enough practice reports and watch enough games to have an inkling of an idea that so and so might not be the best choice on the field, and the only way you are going to find out if you have someone better is by actually playing them in a game. I'll say it until I am blue in the face, Matt Rhodes didn't give us the best chance at LG, of course Dunman may not either based on his penalty performance versus Maryland. But then again, Rhodes helped solidify my opinion of his ability versus Miami when he got abused by the opposing player and for like the 5th time in his career retaliaited to get a 15 yard Unsportsmanlike penalty.

It is not difficult to see that Chan has a serious issue with not playing the best players at certain positions. There are examples throughout his career. While Reggie Ball may have been the better option than Taylor, at some point you have to bench him for his crap play and Chan never did.
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Exactly who would you have play at OL instead of those who are now starting? Also, please name specific examples of that "Chan has a serious issue with not playing the best players at certain positions" along with the players who should have been starting in their place so we may deal in specifics, because frankly the two you've suggested (RB and MR) aren't the best.

Lastly, I would appreciate it if you would answer my question (which was related to your JJ comments) -- Are you sure you're not confusing starting lineups and depth charts with number of plays played, with the latter being far more important than the former?

Thank you for your response...Mike
 
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BarrelORum said:
I guess I could have summarized my post to you by just saying:

Oh ok, I must be wrong. I should just trust the coaches. Yeah, that's the ticket! Give me a break.
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Now you're learning. :laugher:

Seriously, BOR, I enjoy discussing these issues with you, and I appreciate the insight you, and others, have. I may disagree (sometimes strongly) with the method of delivery, but can and do respect your viewpoint. Take care....Mike
 
TampaJacket said:
How did "putting someone in there that has the ability to break open a play" work against UVA? Oh yeah...now I remember. Man, I love hindsight. ;)
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Don't take this the wrong way, but what are you talking about? The guy that fumbled the ball was Evans' replacement right? My guess is another walk-on...A backup....its not like we put Dwyer back there in hopes of breaking it wide open. If that guy is our designated playmaker then we are in real trouble.
 
How do you know its Chan and not Buddy making the call on the depth chart?

What's wrong with our punt returner? He seems pretty darn good at moving the ball forward every time. He also ranks in top 25% if I'm not mistaken. Sheesh.
 
Macon, No offense taken. Naming no names, I was under the impression that he was more of a playmaker than our current punt returner. I certainly could be wrong (and probably am judging by your question). :) Take care...Mike
 
kirbee said:
How do you know its Chan and not Buddy making the call on the depth chart?

What's wrong with our punt returner? He seems pretty darn good at moving the ball forward every time. He also ranks in top 25% if I'm not mistaken. Sheesh.
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"He doesn't", and "nothing as far as I'm concerned". :)
 
From what I've seen from the receivers this year, with respect to catches drops and good routes (where the receivers were missed), I believe JJ is the best we have.

JJ's great catch at ND showed his ability and he has been open a lot, all while he has been banged up; not to mention the magical catches vs CU and Miami last year .

BOR,
Calvin Johnson is banged up and is 5th on the Lions with only 11 catches. Do you think the Lions should just throw CJ under the bus and bring in some other backups??
 
TampaJacket said:
How did "putting someone in there that has the ability to break open a play" work against UVA? Oh yeah...now I remember. Man, I love hindsight. ;)

Thank you for your response...Mike
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Wait a minute. Obviously your definition of playmaker and MY definition of playmaker are two different things. Andrew Smith is Not a playmaker. Tyler Evans is not a playmaker.
 
TampaJacket said:
Exactly who would you have play at OL instead of those who are now starting? Also, please name specific examples of that "Chan has a serious issue with not playing the best players at certain positions" along with the players who should have been starting in their place so we may deal in specifics, because frankly the two you've suggested (RB and MR) aren't the best.
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RT = Howard or Lonowski
RG McManus backed by Lonowski
C Dunman or Tuminello. We keep trying to force Dunman, a Center to play Guard.
LT Anyone but Rhodes
LT Gardner

Of course, if I were coach, I would have actually recruited more offensive lineman so I would have more options intead of going three years and recruiting 5 lineman.

How are the two I've suggested bad examples?

You want more examples? Why is DJay Jones playing over Burnett? Why is JJ getting the start over Thomas? Why is Donley not the first kid off the bench at WR? After what he's shown, why WOULDN'T you at least throw him into a game to see how big of a player you actually have on your hands? How about why the hell is Grant seeing more minutes the last few games than Dwyer? Why are the starting punt returner, and back up returner both walk-ons? Why the hell is Michael Johnson only playing in nickel situations or known passing downs? Has anyone been paying attention to his game?

How about benching Demarious Bilbo for years in favor of Suggs and then Ball only to break him out as QB against UGA as a running QB?

The only great personnel decision that Gailey made since he's been here in terms of talent is that he allowed Hollings to play RB and he didn's allow Calvin to play TE.
 
BarrelORum said:
RT = Howard or Lonowski
RG McManus backed by Lonowski
C Dunman or Tuminello. We keep trying to force Dunman, a Center to play Guard.
LT Anyone but Rhodes
LT Gardner

Of course, if I were coach, I would have actually recruited more offensive lineman so I would have more options intead of going three years and recruiting 5 lineman.

How are the two I've suggested bad examples?

You want more examples? Why is DJay Jones playing over Burnett? Why is JJ getting the start over Thomas? Why is Donley not the first kid off the bench at WR? After what he's shown, why WOULDN'T you at least throw him into a game to see how big of a player you actually have on your hands? How about why the hell is Grant seeing more minutes the last few games than Dwyer? Why are the starting punt returner, and back up returner both walk-ons? Why the hell is Michael Johnson only playing in nickel situations or known passing downs? Has anyone been paying attention to his game?

How about benching Demarious Bilbo for years in favor of Suggs and then Ball only to break him out as QB against UGA as a running QB?

The only great personnel decision that Gailey made since he's been here in terms of talent is that he allowed Hollings to play RB and he didn's allow Calvin to play TE.
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I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY want to know why DJ jones plays instead of M.Burnett also. We've got so many Tech fans that just adore DJ jones and Jahi because they've been here a few years, but good God, they are awful. JMO
 
GTfanNBama said:
We've got so many Tech fans that just adore DJ jones and Jahi because they've been here a few years, but good God, they are awful. JMO
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Since last year I have been convinced that Jahi is not that great...he only gets a pass from fans because his back up, P. Clark, is just plain terrible. Sometimes I even forget who the other corner is because it seems he never gets picked on so you rarely hear his name or see him on TV.

Burnett is a stud. Just another example (refer to Dwyer and M. Johnson) of seniority over talent.
 
BCWRECK said:
Calvin Johnson is banged up and is 5th on the Lions with only 11 catches. Do you think the Lions should just throw CJ under the bus and bring in some other backups??
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I wish they would...the Lions are not a good team for him, way too many recievers in their offense, it's a total waste of talent. He needs to be in an offense that doesn't spread the ball around so much so he can get the numbers he deserves, FINALLY!
 
Re: Here's what chaps my ass about Chan

GTKyle, yes I drive from Savannah, but not every game. I do have two season tickets though.
 
And here's yet another example.......

....of why the Zeier quote had to be removed from my sig. ;-)


Who here really, really believes that ANY playing time decision at ANY position is being made solely on the basis of this "seniority" issue?.....and especially on the D????

Good grief, we all know Morgan B is a stud......he is looking all the way like a guy who could be All-Conf, if not A-A, before he's finished at the NATS.....but.....he's a TRUE frosh and, along with his big plays and big hits he's making big mistakes and misreads. Fortunately, it's only really cost us on a couple of occasions (BC tightend on a 3rd-and-long heading South immediately comes to mind) but he's been out of position or in the wrong coverage several times where it ended up moot on the play. Basically, he's still a batter with terrific HR power but who's still learning to hit the breaking ball.....and so he's going to give you more K's than RBI's for now. JT's going with the guys like Jahi who, while they might not get as many measuring tape jobs and still whiff on occasion, they're still going to get more clutch hits because they know the K-zone and situation better.

And, yes, I know there are still going to be some of you who can't (and won't) be convinced. All I can say is, take it up with Jon. I dare ya'. ;-)
 
Re: And here's yet another example.......

Buzzfan said:
....of why the Zeier quote had to be removed from my sig. ;-)


Who here really, really believes that ANY playing time decision at ANY position is being made solely on the basis of this "seniority" issue?.....and especially on the D????

Good grief, we all know Morgan B is a stud......he is looking all the way like a guy who could be All-Conf, if not A-A, before he's finished at the NATS.....but.....he's a TRUE frosh and, along with his big plays and big hits he's making big mistakes and misreads. Fortunately, it's only really cost us on a couple of occasions (BC tightend on a 3rd-and-long heading South immediately comes to mind) but he's been out of position or in the wrong coverage several times where it ended up moot on the play. Basically, he's still a batter with terrific HR power but who's still learning to hit the breaking ball.....and so he's going to give you more K's than RBI's for now. JT's going with the guys like Jahi who, while they might not get as many measuring tape jobs and still whiff on occasion, they're still going to get more clutch hits because they know the K-zone and situation better.

And, yes, I know there are still going to be some of you who can't (and won't) be convinced. All I can say is, take it up with Jon. I dare ya'. ;-)
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dude shut up please. Don't post on here like JT is your uncle or somethin.
 
Ok, fine...but my I'm sticking to my guns on the offensive side of the ball...Dwyer and the young WR's need to play more than they have been.
 
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