Here's your dose of perspective:

[beej67]

(taken from another thread)

There are choices on the curve between Pollyanna and Burning the Coach in Effigy though. We've had way too much of the latter after one game.

I haven't burned a coach in effigy yet.

I have, however, compared our performance in a high stress, homecoming game, with lots riding on the outcome, to similar performances in similar circumstances by Chan Gailey and Reggie Ball.

Apparently that qualifies as 'burning in effigy' around here. Everyone immediately typecast me as dogging out our players or our coaches, by making the comparison.

And why?

The simple fact is that there are a whole bunch of Stingtalkers who are currently defending PJ who would be roasting Gailey right now. Or roasting Reggie who are currently defending Nesbitt. That's Bullsh*t. Be consistent.

Do I think PJ should be fired? Hell no. And I didn't think Gailey should have been fired after last year's loss to UVA either. Or Maryland. But a bunch of yall did.

Now I compare Nesbitt to the 2003 ACC Rookie of the Year, and get slammed for it. And I compare some very similar outcomes between last year and this year, and bring attention to how fickle folks can be about whether they want to roast a coach or defend a coach, and I get slammed for it.

So be it. Whatever. But look in the mirror once in a while.


For the record, I firmly believe we were outcoached and outplayed this past weekend. But I still believe PJ is the right coach for this team, and Nesbitt is our best option currently at QB.

 

[yellowphysics]

The simple fact is that there are a whole bunch of Stingtalkers who are currently defending PJ who would be roasting Gailey right now. Or roasting Reggie who are currently defending Nesbitt. That's Bullsh*t.

This is dumb. This is CPJ's first year as coach and Nesbitt's first year starting. People were criticizing Gailey and Reggie because it was 4 years without much improvement. There is no comparison.

 

[beej67]

I think there is. It's not like people started complaining about Gailey 5 years down the line. They were complaining from the get-go.

 

[BarrelORum]

I haven't burned a coach in effigy yet.

I have, however, compared our performance in a high stress, homecoming game, with lots riding on the outcome, to similar performances in similar circumstances by Chan Gailey and Reggie Ball.

For me, mentioning those two in comparison to anything done with this coach is insulting and a bitter pill to swallow. Can we just leave them in the past? Can we? Can you shut up now and stop posting so much crap to make a point that you failed making the first 8 times already? Seriously, my respect for beej meter is starting to hover around zero.

 

[Allen Koholic]

It's the internet. Complaining and pornography are really the only things to do. You should know this.

 

[GEETEELEE]

This is CPJ's first year as coach and Nesbitt's first year starting. People were criticizing Gailey and Reggie because it was 4 years without much improvement.

People were calling for Gailey's head before he set foot on campus. There was a huge group that analyzed his every move from his very first game with the sole intent of adding justification for his firing.

Many, many people gave Gailey no chance whatsoever from the word go. Thankfully, that doesn't seem to be the case with PJ....yet.

 

[JacketDan]

Like I said, fragile psyche.

You're taking something that wasn't even directed at you rather personally. In my opinion you've shown some really poor logic and a poor scientific thought after the game (mostly because your sample size right now is 1, but I guess the HWFO is only unacceptable on the political threads or when getting on GTL.) I'm not putting you in the burning in effigy category, but I do think you let your emotions about the game cloud your judgement and analysis.

We called out Gailey last year because it was year 6 of same ****, different day. If CPJ is losing games like this regularly in the next 4 years and has basically completely wasted the career of the greatest player to ever set foot on campus (sidenote: we don't have anybody even close right now) then I think you'll see the same heat come his way. You'll also see the same blind pollyanna "he's my coach so he's wonderful" crap that we saw before as well.

For Josh, you completely moved to HWFO town with a whole "OMFG it's the next Reggie111!!!1111" post and you know it. It was straight out of the Off Topic board political playbook and I don't understand how you thought you could make a very rough connection based on one game with one of the most polarizing players to ever come through this school and not receive a strong response.

 

[JacketDan]

People were calling for Gailey's head before he set foot on campus. There was a huge group that analyzed his every move from his very first game with the sole intent of adding justification for his firing.

Many, many people gave Gailey no chance whatsoever from the word go. Thankfully, that doesn't seem to be the case with PJ....yet.

And those people are idiots, but it was telling that the group of people wanting Gailey gone grew every year. I gave him 3 solid years of support, 2 years of Please For the Love of God Just Prove me Wrong, and then only one solid year of I'm Pretty Sure He's Thinking About Pudding Right Now.

The above is pretty close +/- 1 year on the amount of time given for all of my friends and acquaintances. I know it's fun to point at the other board and make it seem like a grand conspiracy, but like most conspiracies those guys were quacks with no real power. Gailey lost his job all on his own.

 

[beej67]

Can we just leave them in the past? Can we?

I promise to completely drop all future comparisons, if we can move on to something more interesting to me, which is this:

For me, mentioning those two in comparison to anything done with this coach is insulting and a bitter pill to swallow.

..why?

I gave him 3 solid years of support, 2 years of Please For the Love of God Just Prove me Wrong, and then only one solid year of I'm Pretty Sure He's Thinking About Pudding Right Now.

Same here, and I plan on giving CPJ at least the same, if not more leeway. Even if he does turn out to be a wretched coach for whatever reason, at least his radio shows are funny as hell. That alone is worth giving him an extra 2 years beyond the Gailey Threshold.

Personally, I think all the talk about Chanesque losses was stupid. Tech fans liked to say that they were frustrated that we'd have all these "Chan Losses" or whatever, but I think that was a lie. I think we just don't like to lose.

 

[gth816f]

..why?

Are you really asking why people didn't like Gailey and Reggie? Do you really not know?

 

[beej67]

Are you really asking why people didn't like Gailey and Reggie? Do you really not know?

I think there's some important lessons on human nature somewhere in the answer to that question.

I seem to recall (the quarterback who shall not be named) saying something along the lines of "we won't lose another game this year," once. Everyone dogged him out. It was a big deal about how horrible his character was for saying that. All over every discussion forum, about how poor his character was because he said it.

But when Michael Johnson said essentially the same thing this year, everyone talked about how great and mature it was to show that much confidence.

I think there's a lesson in there someplace.

 

[JacketDan]

I think there's some important lessons on human nature somewhere in the answer to that question.

I seem to recall (the quarterback who shall not be named) saying something along the lines of "we won't lose another game this year," once. Everyone dogged him out. It was a big deal about how horrible his character was for saying that. All over every discussion forum, about how poor his character was because he said it.

But when Michael Johnson said essentially the same thing this year, everyone talked about how great and mature it was to show that much confidence.

I think there's a lesson in there someplace.

My 2 cents on this:

Presentation - It was the way that Reggie said it that made it seem very cocky. Especially from a Freshman QB that had just lost a football game. Don't forget that quote was right after a classic Chan Gailey "Quality Loss" to FSU.

MJ said that everybody on the team "believed" that we could go undefeated and the only team to beat Georgia Tech is Georgia Tech. Right now he's 2-2 on that assessment in my opinion, because I felt like we did a lot more to lose both games than the other team did to win them.

 

[gth816f]

I think there's a lesson in there someplace.

Yeah, the lesson is if you say the wrong thing too many times, people start getting pissed at you more often. I don't remember Reggie's quote saying that(maybe you can refresh me as to the quote and the situation), but I remember Taylor saying after BC killed us "BC is a good team. We look forward to seeing them again in Jacksonville." Yeah, people thought that was immature and wrong to say, and they dogged him on it, but that was the end of it because in general he wasn't full of attitude. Now, his play is a different story, and people were certainly calling for him to be benched(and people will do the same to Nesbitt if he has one more game fumbling in the red zone), but you won't find anyone who hates him like they hate Reggie.

As for Michael Johnson's quote...well, like all things in life, timing makes a big difference. You can say something like that when you are winning. You can't say it post-game after you get dominated on national TV. If he says something like that again, you'll start to see some criticism. However, I'm guessing CPJ won't be letting that happen.

 

[lonestarjacket]

(and people will do the same to Nesbitt if he has one more game fumbling in the red zone), but you won't find anyone who hates him like they hate Reggie.

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On a tangent, are we sure that Nesbitt fumbled that ball? It sure looked like the center never got the ball to him to fumble.

Nesbitt had his share of missed plays, but the most damaging one I really think belongs with the center.

 

[JTS]

Beej,

You need to chill out. I know that the point you were trying to make was much more benign than the way it was taken, but what sort of response were you expecting from invoking two of the most divisive figures in GT history and comparing them to our current HC and QB after a tough loss. Whether you intended it or not your initial post had a very anti-Nesbitt slant to it which I don't think was your intention, but that's how it was taken and I can understand why. Just let it go.

 

[Ish]

For Josh, you completely moved to HWFO town with a whole "OMFG it's the next Reggie111!!!1111" post and you know it. It was straight out of the Off Topic board political playbook and I don't understand how you thought you could make a very rough connection based on one game with one of the most polarizing players to ever come through this school and not receive a strong response.

JacketDan, ftw.

 

[JTS]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I beleive that MJ said "don't be surprised if we go 11-1."

 

[floridajacket]

Personally, I think all the talk about Chanesque losses was stupid. Tech fans liked to say that they were frustrated that we'd have all these "Chan Losses" or whatever, but I think that was a lie. I think we just don't like to lose.

I understand this point, but I'm not sure I agree. Would the most Chanesque game I can imagine, the 9-6 ACCCG, really have happened under CPJ? I could see us maybe see us having 3+ fumbles, with one returned for a touchdown, and losing to some team we shouldn't. But I absolutely could not imagine CPJ ever getting in the same offensive funk CCG found himself in always at inopportune times.

 

[ncjacket]

beej, forgive me if I misspeak, but seems to me you were one of the ones who started the whole "Chanesque" crap anyway. You're freaking out about one game in the first year of a new coach, new system and new QB. We didn't play well. We get it. Why would you want to make comparisons to anything though? Do you just not want people to be happy with the new regime and give them a chance to get things going? This really doesn't seem like you.

 

[beej67]

ncjacket - no, I didn't coin the term "Chanesque," but as soon as I saw it I surely saw this day coming. Because as it was defined, all losses are in some way Chanesque. We as a fanbase just got to the point where we associated losing in any manner with Chan Gailey.

I understand this point, but I'm not sure I agree. Would the most Chanesque game I can imagine, the 9-6 ACCCG, really have happened under CPJ? I could see us maybe see us having 3+ fumbles, with one returned for a touchdown, and losing to some team we shouldn't. But I absolutely could not imagine CPJ ever getting in the same offensive funk CCG found himself in always at inopportune times.

Garner Webb?

It happens to everyone. It will happen to Paul Johnson, sooner or later. Personally, I'd like to be able to point back to today and say:

This was the day I realized as a fan that everyone gets beaten on occasion by a team with inferior athletes. Everyone has games where they come out flat, and lose. Everyone has games, sooner or later, where unforced errors or major flaws in strategy invoke a loss. Everyone has let-downs after victories on occasion.

These are not Chan Specific. These are The Way Of Football, and if you define "Chanesque" as Stingtalk did, then all coaches have Chanesque moments. Even Paul Johnson.

Why would you want to make comparisons to anything though? Do you just not want people to be happy with the new regime and give them a chance to get things going? This really doesn't seem like you.

No, I just don't want what happened to Chan to happen to Paul. We will have games, and seasons, reminiscent of Gailey under any coach. Folks need to realize that.