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He\'s got to go!

4-3 record

Blowout losses to ND (40-7) and Navy (20-6).

Loss to Duke

Probable losses to LSU, Clemson, and UGAG coming up.

All of this after inheriting a team which was 8-3 and SEC champ the past two years and 9-2 and ranked as high as #2 the year before those.

This guy just doesn't have what it takes to keep GT at the level to which we've grown accustomed. Naming him HC was the worst decision in the history of decision-making (except maybe what Eve did).

For those saying give him more time, isn't it obvious we'll just continue to spiral further downward if we stick with him. Let's cut our losses early.

FIRE DODD NOW!
 
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GT

I respect your opinion a great deal.

but...

You really don't think there are significant problems ?
 
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GoldTimer...

I'm sorry but we have a whole lot of talent on this team thanks to our former staff. Our new staff has been given lessons the last two games on how to make halftime adjustments. Gailey and Co. need to go. Maybe Charlie Taffe or Norm Chow would be interested.

Frankly I am done for this season. I will listen on the radio while I do something productive like working in the yard or what-not.

We suck this year and Braine made a bad hire. Paint it whatever color you want... it will still stink.
 
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Maybe we should of fired him. We would still be in the SEC and wouldn't of had to suffer through all those bad years in the 70's and 80's.
 
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Yes, there are problems. I'm just not convinced that running CG off early is the answer, and was trying to point out by illustration that a coach's first year result is frequently not indicative of his future career result.

I could give many other examples. O'L looked pretty bad out of the gate, but I selected Dodd for illustration because O'L did inherit a mess. Dodd did not.

Pretty sure Papa Joe P (one of the most successful coaches ever) didn't have a very good first year. I know we beat his team like a rug.

I'd like to see CG find an OC who provide the Knute Rockne type energy CG doesn't have, while being good at what he does. When you have more yards, more TOP, and are in the kill zone many times, you should be putting points on the board. It's not fair to judge CG when we saddled him with BOB. Tenuta had the D looking good the 1H, but got out-adjusted in the 2H by the Master Fridge.

Once he finds a good OC, I'd like to see CG delegate all game decisions to him, reserving only a final override option, since CG doesn't appear that quick on his feet under pressure (the TO call when CU was running out of time in the 1H comes to mind).

The strength coach and special teams coaches need a close look, and probable replacment right after the UGAG game.

Recruiting is critical, especially this year since we had a small class last year, and CG's staff has been keeping it very secretive. We can judge how that is going in a few months.

After next season, we should have all the data we need to decide whether to continue backing CG or call for his head. I wouldn't be surprised if he resigned after another losing season (as used to be the GT tradition). He is a Christian and an honorable man, above all.

As college football becomes a bigger and bigger business, with a 7-figure budgets, the HC is becoming mostly an administrator (except for the key game decisions, which I've already suggested CG delegate) and a PR man. CG has lots of experience in administration, and is an excellent PR man, IMO. He reminds me of Coach Dodd in that regard, and is far better than O'L or a showboat like Pepper in that regard, IMO.

It's just too early to demand CG go midway through his first season, IMO. That was my point.
 
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But, Goldtimer, Duke was a pretty good team in the 40's.
 
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I know, Old Gold. They were a top 20 team. But the average person reading this (unless he reads history, and most don't) doesn't think in those terms, so I figured I could get by with that for effect. ;-)

Don't know if Duke will ever return to fb prominence, since it seems happy to just be one of the top bounceball teams year-in and year-out, but it certainly has a football tradition.

A great trivia question is: When was the only year the Rose Bowl was not played in the Rose Bowl, and where was it played? Or, worded another way: Where was the '42 Rose Bowl played?
Duke is involved in the answer.
 
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Ok, I got Goldtimer on record saying that CG = Dodd.
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If I am making over one million dollars a year then I better be one of the best at what I do. CG makes a heck of lot more than 70% of the other coaches in the nation do. Air Force is undefeated, #15 in the nation, cannot recruit as well as 90% of the 1A schools, their coach probably doesn't make the cash CG does yet they look like world beaters this year (Yeah I think they take it to Notre Lame this weekend).

Frankly CG and Co. need to be shown the door. As stated earlier we have way to much talent for this record. Tenuta and O'Brien are stinking it up and CG is continuing to let them. I am absolutely thrilled with his lack of passion. Glad he is a christian and a great PR man but he isn't much of a football coach.
 
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Goldtimer,

One of the best posts in a long time on this Board. O'Brien is the problem. He was GONE. We should have allowed him to walk and kept Kelly as our OC. That is what Kelley wanted and the upside in recruiting would have been tremendous especially in the Southeast.

Read in the AJC this morning that O'Brien finally relentes to Gailey's preseason suggestion that he be in the upstairs box during the game. Sounds like Gailey is trying to give the coaches chances to grow. O'Brien and GOL focused on South Bend around the Clempsun game last year and are still distractd. O'Brien, follow Doug Marrone. The people in Athens will love you. We will too.
 
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Gtimer I respect your experience and wisdom, but I would submit that Robert Lee is in great part the reason for some of this. We need to investigate how we can remedy this by getting out of acc, but that is for later. I do not think Chan needs to go, yet. BO'B & receivers coach need to go TODAY!!! Trying to prepare to beat ugag (which should be our No. 1 goal every year)by beating the little carolina 4 & the snob schools is similar to the dumbing down of America. That is not the way to try to attract fans to a bigger stadium. Clough and Braine must be contacted NOW about fixing the bigger problem. And remember, Braine wanted to hire O'Brien.
 
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1game@atime (catchy name), I was reading to help BOB get on the bus heading out of town when I saw him say "But, we're hear now" with a dejected look on his face just after the O'L ND deal went sour.

GT is a top 20 winning program (19th entering this season in all-time win %) and pays its coaches well. We can find coaches who want to be here and will play like its their career goal.

While we're on this tack, I want a HC who wants to make GT better than ND or AL ever was, and believes he's the man to make it happen. Same for the staff. Despite our limited curriculum and tough academic standards, we can excel in fb, just as Duke does in bounceball. (Might take a special Sports Science program to do it. And I don't mean a powder-puff track, but a quality track athletes would find attractive and could pass with all the special help they receive.)

I'm not going stick by CG forever, if he doesn't get results. I just think it's too early to call for his head, after 7 games.

CG needs to recognize his weaknesses and hire assistants who can fill in the gaps. That's what great managers do. Dodd certainly used coaches like Frank Broyles in this way.

And to whomever posted that I'm on record saying CG = Dodd, you know I said no such thing. I only said CG reminds me of Dodd in some ways, such as how he represents the institution.
 
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GT

I would agree with 100% of what you say, if we were just losing a few games, BUT in the face of losing games, we were making good adjustments, the players were giving 100%, games close, losing to good/great teams, etc etc

However, when I see a team tanking like the last two games, I have to think there is "more going on"...

Plus, admittedly, us Tech fans, having gone through this scenario many times, have gotten pretty good at "Sniffing out" a major demise, and I can't be honest and say I don't see this happening now...

There are so many parallels to B.L., I shutter to even think about it.

Even when GOL was having average years WITH a relative lack of talent - you could see DESIRE and FIRE, and you could see improvement !!!

Plus, I recall GOL's first games, there was IMMEDIATE improvement - even though he continued to lose that year - there was a palpable feeling that things were improving steadily - Those losses were MUCH easier to take, because you could see the potential and the future.

Whet we have now is a MAJOR downward spiral
 
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Originally posted by Goldtimer:

A great trivia question is: When was the only year the Rose Bowl was not played in the Rose Bowl, and where was it played? Or, worded another way: Where was the '42 Rose Bowl played?
Duke is involved in the answer.[/QB]
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">'42 Rose Bowl played at Duke b/c of fear of Japanese bombing the Rose Bowl. I'm not positive but I think that Duke was #1 and undefeated going into that game, but they were beaten by Oregon State.

Yo administrators, I can't complain about finally having a breakout weekend and being tied for 2nd on the game predictions, but it's "Dore-Dawg", not Dore-Dog. (You're digging yourself an awfully big hole lawbee)
 
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Goldtimer...
you are respected here, BUT, THIS GUY HAS BEEN OUTCOACHED TOO MANY TIMES VERY EARLY IN HIS CAREER HERE!
 
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Goldtimer...
you are respected here, BUT, THIS GUY HAS BEEN OUTCOACHED TOO MANY TIMES VERY EARLY IN HIS CAREER HERE!

There's no waiting to be done, you do that when YOU ARE REBUILDING!! Remember, he himself said, he wanted to go to "AN ESTABLISHED TOP 25 PROGRAM AND HE WAS NOT GOING TO TAKE ON ANY REBUILDING PROGRAM!"

Looks to me like he wanted to go to an established Top 25 program to put it in the rebuilding mode. His "own" words have made him very contradictory. Our team last night was not a bad team but very much a broken team with less enthusiasm and heart, an off shoot of what they are getting from this coach and his staff!

We've definitely seen this in the past and it's happening again. We all waited for George to come and save us ... he did. I will not wait for Chan to take us down the tubes!
 
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Every team has to be rebuilt during a coaching change. This is due to differences in coaching styles.

I think maybe a reason the players aren't responding to Gailey as weill is because they've had GOL yelling and screaming at them for 4 years. They get someone in there with a different style and they're not sure how to handle it.

I've said it before...changes take time. Gailey hasn't even been here for a year. This staff is in its infancy. The players need time to adjust to a new system. I'm confident that after that happens, we'll be back on top.
 
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I hope you are right because I fear we are going to have Gailey for a while....but I fear you are wrong and we are entering another football down cycle. Incidentally, at the start of Gailey's tenure the players were happy tha he had done away with some of O'L's discipline. I think Gailey has lost control of the team, they have no faith in the staff...the defense is worn out with carrying the load for an inept offense and have finally packed it in. Gailey had better assert himself and quickly or it is going to get a lot worse....He won't make any or many coaching assignment changes before season end (just not his style) but then it should be quick and decisive.
 
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Goldtimer,

Did you make that same post during the Bill Lewis era?

and if so how was it received then?
 
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I really hope you're right, but I am troubled. When Ross was starting, he had bad seasons, but I always felt he knew what he was doing and was on the right track. We were soundly coached, just weak in talent. The same goes for O'Leary's first year.

Here are some troubling things:

1- This team gets worse and worse, and I'm talking about fundamentals, not the scoreboard.

2- If your QB doesn't know that you have to throw the ball beyond the line of scrimmage to avoid intentional grounding, that's bad coaching.

3- When the defense quits trying to make sound tackles in the second half, that shows low morale, and that's bad coaching.

4- When you're so predictable that you more or less announce you're gonna bring in your 2d string QB for the third series because he gives the defense something different to worry about, ie running, and then you bring him in right when you announced you would, and he runs, and the other team knows it and is waiting for him, that's awful coaching.

5- I wasn't around when Dodd coached his first year at Tech, but he had been Coach Alex's assistant for 15 or so years, and I bet he wasn't clueless.

6- If your "paint the manure bright red and call it a rose so it will smell better" philosophy doesn't work, Tech football will be in really bad shape by the time Dave Braine gets around to admitting he made a mistake in three to five years. We'll be winning 3 games a year at best and have a half full stadium on our hands. Then, when somebody new comes in, it'll take another 5 years to get back to where O'Leary had us. Can we afford that?
 
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