He's got to go!

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GoldTimer, your post was excellent and presents another perspective. Personally, this is the type of posting that makes great boards.

Each person having his idea and posting his thoughts on the situation will give more insight into the real solutions.

I am not happy with our present situation and have presented some of my thoughts on the subject. I know you are not happy with the situation, but have stood in the gap and presented another side to the situation.

The point that impresses me is the tone of the replies. Each person has respectively replied, but have stated their own thoughts on the subject.

Good thread.

 
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I was very disappointed with the lack of pride, discipline, conditioning, knowledge/completion of assignments , extra effort, but mostly PRIDE! Dammit we are a very unique,special school with an unusually successful and extraordinary football tradition! We are roughly half the size of most of the universities we compete with;why the hell can't we play consistently with the gang-tackling and hitting that the defense showed in the final quarter! Our punter, Morehouse, gave MD's tackler one of the best hits of the night, sure it rang his chimes a little but so what! Nat Dorsey's skill and aggressiveness seems to have declined with his weight gain, at times he looked like a 300# Baby Huey doll out there. These guys have the chance of a lifetime to get a firstclass education, a pro career, and entry into an 'oldboy' network second to none;the coaches have an awfully good job in a very competitive field and access to some extraordinary connections for post-football/outside careers and connections.

What is necessarly to generate a sense of urgency, pride, and desire to win and excel!! I notice a lot of skinny upper and lower legs on some of our guys; upper body strength is important but football is still a leg game and I contend we need a lot more development here; supposedly Nebraska had special weight machines designed so their players could improve their lower body musculature; any doubts on this theory just look at some of the legs on MD players last night if you taped the game as many of you do!!

 
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This has been a very interesting thread. It seems that one common opinion in all threads is the team is not motivated. This is our concern. To have a coach who puts a team on the field that doesn’t have the inspiration to play for the great tradition that was been established over 100 years ago is a travesty. The criticisms of CG and staff are not about winning and losing. They are about the integrity of Georgia Tech. We can only hope that Dave Braine will swallow his pride and do the right thing and make the changes.
 
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Thank you GT for making the point about Dodd. We seem to live in a different era of not just instant gratification but instant internet assasination. As you infer, Dodd may not have survived that first season today.

I like others am not happy with the game last night or being 4-3 in a year I thought we were pointing to. However, to assasinate CG now after only 7 games and the heck we went through last year with OLeary, BoB, and others is not rational IMO.
 
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Dave Braine swallow his pride... he'd rather choke to death on it. He and Chan will be at the Duke game in 2004, even if nobody else is.
 
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Originally posted by texstinger:
Gtimer I respect your experience and wisdom, but I would submit that Robert Lee is in great part the reason for some of this. We need to investigate how we can remedy this by getting out of acc, but that is for later. I do not think Chan needs to go, yet. BO'B & receivers coach need to go TODAY!!! Trying to prepare to beat ugag (which should be our No. 1 goal every year)by beating the little carolina 4 & the snob schools is similar to the dumbing down of America. That is not the way to try to attract fans to a bigger stadium. Clough and Braine must be contacted NOW about fixing the bigger problem. And remember, Braine wanted to hire O'Brien.
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Originally posted by Goldtimer:

Believe we have to give CG another season, and if improvement is shown, another after that. If not, I'll be calling for his resignation also.[/QB]
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Gold Timer, I agree. We cannot judge CG's ability on this season alone. Some mistakes are being made and a transition is on-going. Year 2 is the critical year. This year we have had more injuries to skilled players and our thin D Line than in my memory, the team and staff is going through a learning curve on coaching on the college level and a philosophy change and some of the athletes are not playing up to OUR pre-season visions.

We need to stay behind the program and the team. Show them that we appreciate effort and are disappointed in not giving their best.
 
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Hrmm...

Wasn't Fridge in a transition last year with a new RB, etc? I seem to recall the year before he arrived the Terds were 5-6 and he takes em to a BCS bowl in his first season?

Sorry that pup won't hunt. TOO MUCH TALENT LEFT FOR THIS TEAM TO LOSE GAMES LIKE THIS... we haven't even hit the meat of the schedule yet.

Sigh.
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The advantage that Fridge had was a returning QB. Unfortunately, CG had a new HB, FB and QB. Combine a coaching transition with a new QB and you generally have a recipe for trouble. Not always i.e. David Greene at UGA, but frequently.

IMO, given Tech's injury situation, we do not currently have better talent than everyone else.
 
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I always try to live by the 'if you don't have anything good to say then don't say it', but last night was bad...yes the injuries are way more than normal, but this team's karma is shot. It's been a long time since I've seen a Tech team look more disoriented on offense- the 12 men and delay of game penalties at this point are inexcusable. A true freshman, given guidance and confidence will develop into a leader and not allow those type of penalties in the 7th game. His performance may be limited, but execution of basic football should occur.

I don't know the answer, but as Goldtimer put in one of his previous posts, Tech football seems to go in cycles...until this team establishes an identity and a leader from either the team or the coaches emerge, I will look forward to basketball.

As my Clemson friends said when they had Tommy West and Rick Barnes made the scene, 'we are a basketball school'...
 
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Thought provoking post and thread. I agree that those out there calling for Gailey to quit now are just making the problem worse. You have got to give the man a chance.

However, it is no longer the 1940's and we live in a society that expects results faster. I'd give Chan 2 years and if he has a bad recruiting year this year, we stink it up again next year, and the recruiting prospects are bad next year, then he's outa here after the UGag game so we can get someone in in time to recruit and generate enthusiam.

That still doesn't mean we shouldn't be giving Chan feedback on the teams performance, we should, it's just that we can do it constructively (good) or destructively (bad-as in beeware). If we do it destructively he CAN NOT succeed and we will deepen the trough we must go thru.

Main things someone needs to get in Chan's face about right now (DaBraine, that would be you):

1 Lack of development of our QB's. Someone needs to deal with this fulltime right now. Both of them. Give Bilbo 1/3 of the snaps, we can't put all our eggs in 1 basket.

2 It is obvious that our team is NOT IN SHAPE. Either aerobically (i.e. the defense) or general fitness level. THE AMOUNT OF INJURIES WE ARE HAVING IS NOT AN ACCIDENT. There is a root cause. Chan, this is not the pros where a guy must show up in shape or you cut him. Here you have to make the players workout/weighttrain. You're part parent. If you ain't up for that gig then get the hell out of Dodge or we are gonna make your life miserable.

3 While playcalling looked a little better last night, I HOPE YOU ARE CALLING AROUND IN YOUR SPARE TIME TRYING TO LINE UP A NEW OC FOR NEXT YEAR. This guy is treading water and will jump ship as soon as a chance arises.

4 Halftime adjustments. WHERE ARE THEY? We outplayed Maryland in the 1H. They went in and made adjustments and ate our damn lunch in the 2H. What did our coaches do at halftime?

5 Discipline. Not talking about punishment, talking about doing things right over and over with no mistakes. No penalties to kill drives. Getting up for key 3rd downs and situations. It takes repetition, doing it over and over, building confidence in yourself and the guy next to you. Time to INSIST on mental discipline. Put someone's ass on the bench if you can't get his attention otherwise.

One note of positive reinforcement, we threw our first quick slant of the year last night and it was a big gainer. Works wonders when the backers crowd the box or show blitz all the time. WHY DID IT TAKE 7 FREAKING GAMES TO CALL IT ONE TIME. WILL WE HAVE TO WAIT 7 FREAKING MORE. Ok, so I'm not so good at positive reinforcement, but I'm trying harder.
 
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We were called for having twelve men on the field
at least twice and that is unforgiveable. Hell, you would think we should hire coaches that can count to twelve with us being an engineering school and all. But qualifications aren't important
when you have friends that will hire you despite
not having the essentials. Illegal participation
penalties are the direct responsibilities of the
coaches.
 
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A new coach should have at least three years to work out the problems. After this time, if no improvement is shown, then look for a replacement.

Both Bill Curry and Bobby Ross literally lost all their games the first TWO years of their time at TECH. O'Leary did not beat anybody of any significance his first two years, either.(save Virginia in '96).

I say give a new coach his due time to right the ship.
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Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
Goldtimer...
you are respected here, BUT, THIS GUY HAS BEEN OUTCOACHED TOO MANY TIMES VERY EARLY IN HIS CAREER HERE!

There's no waiting to be done, you do that when YOU ARE REBUILDING!! Remember, he himself said, he wanted to go to "AN ESTABLISHED TOP 25 PROGRAM AND HE WAS NOT GOING TO TAKE ON ANY REBUILDING PROGRAM!"

Looks to me like he wanted to go to an established Top 25 program to put it in the rebuilding mode. His "own" words have made him very contradictory. Our team last night was not a bad team but very much a broken team with less enthusiasm and heart, an off shoot of what they are getting from this coach and his staff!

We've definitely seen this in the past and it's happening again. We all waited for George to come and save us ... he did. I will not wait for Chan to take us down the tubes!
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">So, what do you propose? Get rid of Chan right now, right this minute? He's been here 7 games and you want him gone? Then what? We go out and cherry-pick the best coaches and tell them they have less than one season to prove their worth or they're gone as well?
 
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LawBee, I had bad vibes about BL from the day he was introduced, when he started about all the great things the team would do. (I'm sure he thought he could do those things, but i prefer a coach SHOW ME not tell me.)

I was not prepared to give up on BL after his first 5-6 season, and we've not even let CG have a whole season yet.

We were lobbying heavily (via calls) for BL's ouster right after the 43-10 loss to ur UGAG in '93. Had we pulled it off, we might have avoided the very embarassing 1-10 season, and (assuming O'L was given the HC job) we would have had a head-start on rebuilding.

Believe we have to give CG another season, and if improvement is shown, another after that. If not, I'll be calling for his resignation also.
 
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A word of thanks is due to Goldtimer for starting The most interesting and thought provoking thread I have seen either here or on the Hive.

One of the lessons learned by great organizations is that it is not what happens to you but how you handle it. Tech has no room for injuries, much less the number we have seen. I feel the series of events beginning with Friedgen moving to Maryland started a downward spiral of bad luck, poor coaching, and some really slackening of character and motivation.

The great ones: individuals and teams, find some way to stop the negative things that eventually happen to everyone and turn things around one play at a time, then one series at a time, then one half at a time, then one game at a time.

Now is gut check time. We have been led to believe over the last few years that the cupboard is full with talent. That may be the case. What this team has not demonstrated yet is the willingness to refuse to lose. That is called character. This Virginia game is literally the first game of the rest of our life. The Hoos have not beaten us yet unless we lose character and allow them to beat us before we start. Mental discipline, determination, faith are the keys to the great future before us. Let's get it on. Bring on the snobs.
 
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