Hey Boomers! The man who Killed GT football was...

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  1. GoldZ

    GoldZ Dodd-Like

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    This is waaay over his head, just like it is for most who look at it in a simplistic manner. It's a weak troll job. I'm amazed at how butt hurt people are, over not being Vandylite since the 60's. Somewhat better attendance nos. doesn't do much for being a whipping boy, huh?
    GEETEELEE has a much better grasp of this than the OP.
     
  2. GoldZ

    GoldZ Dodd-Like

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    My goodness---do ya think that just maybe, perhaps, possibly, that this sea change (which was long overdue), impacted Tech football just a wee bit more than ugag!? You might wanna go back and read some of Vince Dooley's quotes during the Jan Kemp trial.
    Give us one, just one, example of dropping standards helping anything in society.
     
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  3. 18in32

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    I'm not sure I would say a recruiting problem was "self-imposed by Tech" if the problem was essential to the nature, purpose and history of the school. That's some serious cart-before-horse-ism. But even if it was "self-imposed by Tech," it doesn't reduce the validity of the desegregation observation.
    So it sounds like we agree!
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  5. aeromech

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    15th amendment
     
  6. GEETEELEE

    GEETEELEE Dodd-Like

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    Well, while it may well have helped our football program to be more like the other schools, you'll have a very hard time convincing me doing so would have been more morally correct.
     
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    Graybeard Jacket Varsity Lurker

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    So your idea is to fundamentally alter the Institute for the sake of football.
     
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    Weak sauce there aeromech. Removing barricades for voting rights is not a case of lowering performance standards like academic proficiency.
     
  9. aeromech

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    Do you actually think our football recruits meet the academic standards of the incoming freshmen now??

    https://www.gatech.edu/sites/default/files/documents/georgia-tech-freshman-profile-2019.pdf

    Our football team in no way reflects the general student body. Letting D. Mills play football would not fundamentally alter the Institute any more than letting J. Hamilton did.
     
  10. aeromech

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    You did ask for anything in society.
     
  11. ramblinwise1

    ramblinwise1 beware the zealot

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    I don't think so. The cupboard was relatively bare when Dodd quit the coaching job.
     
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    ramblinwise1 beware the zealot

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  13. GSOJacket

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    I graduated Class of '62. The story when we left the SEC was that we thought we could make more money as an independent than as a member of a conference where we would have had to split bowl money with other members. IMO the ACC is the best fit for Tech, and it's too bad it took us so long to get there.

    I agree with other posters that Dodd was at best an average AD.
     
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    Thread is based on a false premise. GT football isn't dead.
     
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  15. GoldZ

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    Good one aeromech! I've used this line of thought myself many times. I don't care for academic snobs. However, just as you can't compare someone who gets in an occasional bar fight to a serial killer, you can't compare the charter and reason for existence of an internationally elite institute, to that of an average land grant college. The key words to understanding how flawed your posit is: that we'd be more than Vandy by following the rules everybody else plays by if we had stayed in the sec, are Institute and Bachelor of Science. Standards exist for a reason. In this threads' context, it's one of likelihood of success. The wave of superior athletes thrust upon CFB in the 60s were not likely to succeed at Tech, and it's extremely frustrating that to a significant degree, they aren't now either.

    Following the same rules as you say, is too much of a good thing, much like having 36 cold beers on a hot day. The gap between Tech's football players and regular students, IF combined with a few academic exceptions (per AA standards---not Tech's), is a good thing. That is, as long as we continue to graduate them, like we have in this most recent decade.

    Sorry for the soapbox, but it's how I see it. Z
     
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    I'm failing to see the problem here. :biggrin:
     
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    Let’s be clear about a few things:
    First of all, he built a football program that was envied throughout the country, and was loved in the state of Georgia as much as UGA was. People all over the Southeast wanted their kids to play for him, and he put together a network of high schools that sent kids to Tech who could actually handle the curriculum. He basically got zero help from the BOR and the Administration in providing a break in that curriculum that would allow him to recruit some of the kids that UGA, Bama, Tennessee, etc. did.
    In the early 60’s there were so many things up in the air about the coming football landscape. No one has a crystal ball into the future. We can debate all day long if remaining in the SEC was the right thing to do. I certainly believe that without any help from the BOR and the Admin. coupled with a lack of facilities and commitment would have kept Tech mired in mediocrity, and made it very hard to compete with the big state universities. Keep in mind that conference solidarity wasn’t at all then what it is now.
    With regard to his ability as an AD, maybe that’s another story.
    But for people to come on here and disparage a guy who really put Tech football on the map is beyond pathetic.
     
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  18. GoldZ

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    Post of the thread! As long as ur buying!
     
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  19. ronricks

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    you have it backwards. Bryant told Dodd (through Curry as a proxy) that he would make sure GT could get back in the SEC. Dodd told Curry to tell Bryant thanks but no thanks it is never going to happen. Bryant wanted GT back in the SEC.
     
  20. texstinger

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    Quite a stretch.

    Why the heck would CBD be embarrassed by the Cumberland game? Absurd.

    No, recruits did not avoid GT due to stats and NFL.

    They started going elsewhere because ( whether anyone wants to admit it) the SEC.

    DODD - very good Coach. Horrible AD.
     
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