Holy crap, this is cool: (PJ quote)

mm42 said:
In this instance, the O-lineman was ignoring the DE and going to block someone else who mattered for the play. So the DE actually helps by tying him up and keeping him from blocking a player with a shot at making the tackle.
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Is this the playside or backside DE?

I need to watch more film to get a feel for this I guess, but my limited understanding is that usually if he's unblocked the playside DE is the first option read key.

So is the idea that instead of filling or taking the QB, he hits the OT which keeps the OT from blocking the LB?

I guess this would disrupt the ordinary option progression. The QB would have to assume the DE is not playing him and keep the ball, but the unblocked LB might not be playing the dive and the DE might be able to shed his block and get the B-Back even if he doesn't.
 
The second link talks some about how the option read progressions change depending on which decision the DE makes.
 
midatlantech said:
Yes, I wasn't very specific, but mmdid a good job covering me. In many of the examples, the OT hunts down the ILB. I was just wondering why the DE wouldn't bump the OT (in basketball you jam the cutter through the lane, i.e. elbow that person off their line) and still be able to recover enough to handle the QB, for example. (I readily admit that I am not a DE or OT, and the play may happen so fast that it can't help. But it just seems that the read takes some time too.
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Okay between the two of you I think I got it.

Either your sequence (DE bumps OT, takes QB, LB left free to fill 2-gap) or mine (DE bumps OT, slides off to fill 2-gap, LB left free to take QB) might work.

Also as long as he's left unblocked a very quick LB could be fast enough to hold the O to a few yards on either the dive or the keep, if he reads it correctly.

I've taken this to be what people mean by implying that top level D's are too fast to run the triple-option on. That is, they can do one thing and then slide off and do another.

If a D is fast enough to do all this, I guess the only way to counter it is with more speed and power on the offensive side. It will certainly be interesting to watch what happens. :-)
 
Normally you defend the option by everybody picking an assignment and nobody ditching their assignment. That's not how modern defenses work, they're all about speed and closure. I understand that a fast enough LB could conceivably force a QB to pitch, then tackle the pitch man too, but I was under the impression that's why PJ goes with the wide splits, so there's more space between assignments to force even fast Ds to play assignment football.
 
The ways to beat a fast D is either to overpower it, or make them go the wrong way or hesistate because they don't know where to go. PJ's offense is designed to do the last 2 with formation and fakes and to do the first when defenders are outnumbered/off balance.
 
I can't wait to see Dwyer at B back. They have to respect that dude, so any fake to him will give Roddy or Peeples or any other of our speed demon A backs the split second needed to get around the corner. And then, when they actually hand it off to big John, they won't be expecting it and.... you know the rest.
 
dressedcheeseside said:
I can't wait to see Dwyer at B back. They have to respect that dude, so any fake to him will give Roddy or Peeples or any other of our speed demon A backs the split second needed to get around the corner. And then, when they actually hand it off to big John, they won't be expecting it and.... you know the rest.
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The B-Back and Quarterback get the bulk of the carries in PJ's offense so you'd better believe the defense will be expecting JD to be carrying the ball.
 
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