How has rain historically effected the option

[BigDanT]

I know how the Miami game turned out. Anybody have any other memories of how we have preformed?

 

[gtgtgt1]

UGA 2008 comes to mind, not a downpour by any stretch however. I also recall a shitstorm in Tallahassee.

 

[GoGATech]

Wasn't it raining it 2015 when we played at Clemson?

 

[WracerX]

The BC game in Ireland was bad.

CPJ lost a game to either BC or NCSt while at Navy in a downpour.

Basically, it slows the outside run, so the option pitch and rocket toss become less effective. But on a decent field that drains, it doesn't matter. The Miami game was bad because of how fast it rained.

 

[BainbridgeJacket]

UNC game comes to mind. A lot of rain favors Clemson in this game unless we think we've got the oline to drive block them off the ball and stay inside all day.

 

[cincyjacket]

Why can't we make the outside pitch a little forward? That way it goes down as an incomplete pass and not a fumble if it doesn't get completed.

 

[BuckeyeJacket]

Why can't we make the outside pitch a little forward? That way it goes down as an incomplete pass and not a fumble if it doesn't get completed.

Makes sense logically, but I would imagine it would be difficult to execute. That would change timing, positioning, and muscle memory.

 

[gtyellowjackets]

Dook when we lost at home a couple of years ago (lightning delay too).

 

[saxondawg]

Very little agreement on this kind of question. In the passing game, it's harder on DBs who have to backpedal and make up ground. With the option, I think it's similar. I agree it hurts plays like the rocket option, but it impedes reaction time for the defense too. I've always felt more than anything it's an equalizer--makes any game a little more of a tossup.

 

[coit]

https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/chooseyourwords/affect-effect/

 

[BigDanT]

https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/chooseyourwords/affect-effect/

Math good words bad

 

[81BME]

It causes the ink on CPJ's play sheet to run. It does not affect CTR. It affects our left tackle who seems to wear tennis shoes instead of cleats. In the aftermath, bubble screens are unstoppable. It affects your mom, because she likes to go mudding.

 

[beej67]

Why can't we make the outside pitch a little forward? That way it goes down as an incomplete pass and not a fumble if it doesn't get completed.

The problem isn't the pitch itself, it's the pitch relationship, and the guy having the ability to turn upfield after catching the pitch. Also maintaining footing during blocks.

The best thing to run in the rain is I formation iso stuff. Everyone goes forward, nobody changes direction much.

 

[JJacket]

The problem isn't the pitch itself, it's the pitch relationship, and the guy having the ability to turn upfield after catching the pitch. Also maintaining footing during blocks.

The best thing to run in the rain is I formation iso stuff. Everyone goes forward, nobody changes direction much.

And the QB not passing the LOS before letting the ball fly

 

[18in32]

And the QB not passing the LOS before letting the ball fly

Would also create more risk of disruption... the QB is basically running parallel to the LOS, so if you've got the A back ahead of you, he's more-or-less across the LOS, which means the defenders that are being strung along have a much short distance to cover to intercept the ball.

 

[ramblinwise1]

Don't forget linemen down the field blocking. It its forward pitch they are illegal.

 

[cincyjacket]

Don't forget linemen down the field blocking. It its forward pitch they are illegal.

Forgot about this. Gets rid of one problem, but replaces it with others. I guess there's a reason why CPJ does what he does.

 

[gte490v]

a) if it is forward, but behind the line the linemen can be down field (screen).

b) if we can get something to work, the counter should be effective as it will take an extra step to change direction / better chance of slipping. But, we have to get something to work in order to set up the counter.

 

[Longestdays]

Drive and pull blocking requires more footing than pass and zone blocking.

Cutting requires more/better footing than forward running.

Short passes and forward running are good plays for the rain.

CPJ has won games in the rain, but it is harder. This offense is more about angles and those angles have a higher dependency on traction.

Counters and traps have pulling guards. These are bad in the rain. Rocket toss requires good traction due to the angle of the run.

Dives, Midlines, BBack tosses, and short passes are good for the rain.

 

[eg1]

I don’t think the issue is the option itself as much as the fact that CPJ’s offense is predicated upon the availability of a wide range of plays which are counters for how opponents game plan the option, some of which aren’t as effective in the rain.