I Did Not See Much Difference In UGA's Talent From...

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Re: I Did Not See Much Difference In UGA\'s Talent From...

Are you kidding?

They have more talent at DB. Jones and Davis are the best safety tandem around. Thorton is a lock down corner. Jennings sucks, but that's 1 of 3. Houston would start over him at UGA.

Their LBs aren't as good as ours. All 3 of ours would start over theirs.

Henderson would start over the DE not named Pollack. Our other 3 DL wouldn't start for them.

Dorsey and Reilley would start for them. Smith would start at 1 WR. Daniels would start for them.

TE is a wash.

So....on D we have 5 guys that would start for them. On O we have 4 guys that would start for them.

Now.......how many of our 2nd teamers would be 2nd teamers for them? I'd offer that none.

We have zero depth. They have depth every where except OL and apparently DB. But our backup DBs don't impress me.

There is a huge talent gap and it's primarily depth and playmaker related.

And our 4 best players are about to graduate in Fox, Smith, Brown and Smith. And they are going to be replaced by guys that aren't as talented and have next to no experience.

And as you said, our QB isn't anywhere near as good as Greene.
 
Re: I Did Not See Much Difference In UGA\'s Talent From...

I somewhat disagree with you YodaBee. Yes, they did have the better talent but it's not much of a gap. Put it this way, swap coaching staff's, QB's, and special teams back in August, who would have won yesterday's game? My money would have been on Tech.
South Georgia Jacket
 
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Disagree with you completely. Wuth the exception of Offensive Line, UGAG is much deeper in terms of talent at every position
 
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Well, if you're going to swap all that, what point are you making? Ludicrous. As for the talent differential, are you serious? Yoda is being very generous. Daniels, God bless him, big heart, but he probably would be 4th string with Lumpkin, Cooper, and Browning. Jonathan Smith would start for them, but Reilly would have to beat our Russ Tanner. John Paul is a very good TE, but Ben Watson is one of the best in the country. Defensively, Odell Thurman would start for just about anybody in the country. Plus, did you not see UGAg rotate numerous big uglies on the d line throughout the game? What would Tenuta give for that luxury?
 
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SouthGA the NFL draft doesn't lie.

The past 3 years, UGA has filled the NFL up with kids. We have struggle to put more than 3-4 players per year in the league while they are putting 7-8 per year.

There are NFL players all over that roster. We are so far behind them in the talent war that it's silly.

Don't get me wrong. GT has never beaten UGA on talent alone. We've beaten them w/ Brains and great coaching. But brains and great coaching only go so far when the other team has great coaching......and better talent.

And like him or not Richt is a better coach than Gailey. So we're going to need ABSURDLY talented kids to take him down unless we change coaches.
 
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While I don't agree with much of Yoda'a analysis about our players I would like to ask SouthGa one question...

Aren't you the guy that was slamming our recruiting classes the past season???
will you now admit that either
1)Chan's recruiting is better than your original estimation
or
2) Chan's coaching is better than most have allowed...

You can't have it both ways i.e. Chan's recruiting sucks, and his coaching sucks but miraculously the players are on par with UGAg...

My guess... Chan's recruiting pretty good, smart players and his coaching and coaching staff are pretty damn good...
 
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I will refrain from bating the dead horse I trashed last year but .........

we have not consistently competed with the elite in college football since integration occured in the Mid 60's. This is not intended as a racist remark but a realization that the limited range of studies at GT does not appeal to the average athlete.

You can do it in hoops where you need 10 or so players. It is IMPOSSIBLE to develop the two deep talent that is necessary to compete with UGAG, Miami, VT, FSU in football.

As for me, I say consider dropping the series with UGAG altogether (we will have enough trouble competing in the new ACC) since we can only win 3 of 10 (at best).

It is time to make a decision: Winning Big Time Football Program or Academic High Horse?

You can't have both!
 
Re: I Did Not See Much Difference In UGA\'s Talent From...

Originally posted by YodaBee:
Are you kidding?

They have more talent at DB. Jones and Davis are the best safety tandem around. Thorton is a lock down corner. Jennings sucks, but that's 1 of 3. Houston would start over him at UGA.

Their LBs aren't as good as ours. All 3 of ours would start over theirs.

Henderson would start over the DE not named Pollack. Our other 3 DL wouldn't start for them.

Dorsey and Reilley would start for them. Smith would start at 1 WR. Daniels would start for them.

TE is a wash.

So....on D we have 5 guys that would start for them. On O we have 4 guys that would start for them.

Now.......how many of our 2nd teamers would be 2nd teamers for them? I'd offer that none.

We have zero depth. They have depth every where except OL and apparently DB. But our backup DBs don't impress me.

There is a huge talent gap and it's primarily depth and playmaker related.

And our 4 best players are about to graduate in Fox, Smith, Brown and Smith. And they are going to be replaced by guys that aren't as talented and have next to no experience.

And as you said, our QB isn't anywhere near as good as Greene.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Good analysis but I think you are being a bit generous. You nailed the dbacks, Thurman could start at LB though, you nailed the Dline.

I'll give you the analysis on the Oline, even though that was supposed to be their weakness and our strength. Theirs sure holds a lot better than ours.

Foschi wouldn't start over the TE.

I don't think Reggie's as bad a match at QB as you do. Sure, yesterday he got too emotional/aggressive and didn't throw any good balls and got himself knocked out of the game, but his spirit, running ability and leadership intangibles are HUGE. Greene has turned into a little bit of an overrated hotshot. He believes his press clippings now, and apparently so does Richt calling his number on that goal line run. Too bad Fox didn't knock his head into the club seats. If LSU puts the wood on him a couple of times, the dawgnation could have all their hopes riding on a shaky kneed 3rd stringer.

PJ would not see playing time at UGAg.

None of our kickers could beat out UGAg's counterparts.

And they are far deeper than we are.

To put it another way, expect to see Lumpkin, Greene, Gibson, Thurman, Pollack, Thornton, Thomas, and Jones in the NFL for sure. A couple of others will probably stick somewhere. For us, Dorsey, J Smith, Fox, D Smith and Henderson may get a shot.

And to MacDaddy's point about not competing since the mid-60s I prefer to refer to it as thats when college football went professional....
 
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Mac2:

I don't agree buddy. I competed at Tech, recognized the intense work load compared to the other D1 schools that wanted my services, but still showed up to compete very effectively. And I fully understand your suggestion that access to talented athletes would be easier if the academic courses of study at Tech were less rigorous. That is the shortest distance between two points, but,...... it's not good for Georgia Tech.

A better knowledge of outstanding high school athletes, combined with an excellent public relations campaign that aggressively stays in the minds of "young aspiring athletic over -achievers" is what Georgia Tech needs. The current AD does not understand, nor does he possess the intellectual skill to successfully initiate the prescribed program.

Meanwhile - us Tech Fans are grasping for answers.
 
I Did Not See Much Difference In UGA\'s Talent From...

ours. They came in with a highly ranked "D" and I thought our "D" played pretty darn good considering the position they were put in. Our "O" moved the ball put but we could not convert several drives to TD's. So, what is the difference between Tech and UGA. Well, they have a very smart, smooth operator at QB who is well coached. We have a very athletic QB but I don't think he is as well coached as Greene. I realize the maturity difference but is Ball a better QB in the 12th game then he was in the 5th and 6th game? Also, the execution of UGA's offense is much better, they don't have the blunders that plague us. Again, you have to look at their QB and coaching. Finally and a biggie, SPECIAL TEAMS!!! Ours gets a big fat F!

Truthfully, back in August you swap the QB's, coaching staff, and special teams, who wins yesterday's game? Now I'm not advocating fire Chan, I'm just saying right now UGA has a better coaching staff, except on "D", and has an experienced QB. I agree with giving Chan the benefit of the doubt this year, I really did not expect us to win six but yesterday's performance was disheartening because talent wise we were right there with them. I say next year if we do not make a significant step of improvement with a minimum of seven wins, then we need to seriously consider a change. We should see remarkable improvement in Reggie with a spring training under his belt. I still have confidence in Chan, I think he, just like Reggie, will get better and I expect to see results NEXT YEAR!!
South Georgia Jacket
 
Re: I Did Not See Much Difference In UGA\'s Talent From...

UGA has more talent than us. O'Leary got us to a point where we now have as much speed as them (though we took a step backwards at rb and wr this year). Hopefully Coach Gailey can keep bringing in speed. [Does anyone know if the new lbs have speed even comparable to Smith and Fox?]

Someone was mentioning all the future NFL players on the UGA roster. One caught my eye, Lumpkin, because we may have a future NFL back on our team who has been redshirted. Gailey needed a back and redshirted Grant (rumor has it he had problems picking up blocking assignments). Reicht had four good backs but played Lumpkin anyway. It is just an interesting compare and contrast. Maybe we'll get four very productive years with Grant or (if he is as good as advertised) the redshirt year might be burned up with an early exit for the NFL. Time will tell on what the correct decision was.
 
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I'm with you, South Ga. The difference between this year and last year was tremendous. This year we looked as good as they did at the line of scrimmage on both sides. One of our qbs was too jacked up with adrenaline and made some poor passes in key situations as a result. The other hadn't played all year and was always prone to throwing picks anyway. We had a blocked punt and the bad luck of a weird fumble where our guy crashed into his own TE. They had perfect execution, which the UGA players and coaches are to be congratulated for, and the good luck of their fumble landing in the end zone and havingone of their guys get on it. We all said before the game we would have to win the turnover battle to win and we lost it badly. But we COULD have one this game with better execution and a split of turnovers. Last year we were so physically whipped we never had a chance.
 
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