I Here Talk Of How Much Time Gailey Will Need, Well How Long Did It...
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Well. The team Chan took over was not as loaded as some thought. It was a good football team but the same guys that quit during that horrid stretch last yr also quit towards the end of O'leary's tenure and last two games.
This is where i give Mac an awful lot of credit because that was the last time i really saw a tech team fired up.
Now i'm not one to give a ton of excuses but you have to be somewhat realistic when you have 10 freakin players gone because of academics.
Thanks CAROL MOORE!
I still think this team wins 5. I thought the overly optimistic saying 7-8 was over the top and the one's saying we post a bagel
are now a fob's(friend of beau) are of a certain agenda to do anything to undermine Gailey.Period. Don't be fooled there
It's called the policy of personal destruction. A certain political party is really good at doing that.
Like i said I Want one of the I hate Chan club to tell me everything you love about Tech.
Listen i'm not the kind who is Chan for Prez but come on now he deserves time /his players. If he fails then so be it he should be gone. But all of you who are hoping tech fails so he's gone that's the lamest thing i've ever seen
Here's to hoping We Kill Auburn.
GO JACKETS!
This is where i give Mac an awful lot of credit because that was the last time i really saw a tech team fired up.
Now i'm not one to give a ton of excuses but you have to be somewhat realistic when you have 10 freakin players gone because of academics.
I still think this team wins 5. I thought the overly optimistic saying 7-8 was over the top and the one's saying we post a bagel
It's called the policy of personal destruction. A certain political party is really good at doing that.
Like i said I Want one of the I hate Chan club to tell me everything you love about Tech.
Listen i'm not the kind who is Chan for Prez but come on now he deserves time /his players. If he fails then so be it he should be gone. But all of you who are hoping tech fails so he's gone that's the lamest thing i've ever seen
Here's to hoping We Kill Auburn.
GO JACKETS!
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">This is just pointless Gailey bashing. How long did it take CG to win seven games?
Is the situation possibly more complicated than crap vs coaching?
D.Smith wants to know who you calling crap.
SouthGa, your statement is not true. Ross took over from Curry after he had his best back to back years, 9-2 and 5-5.
The beginnings of a winning program had been established at that time. Ross took the first two years and had records of 2-9 and 3-8.
If you don't think Gailey can do the job, that is your opinion and is acceptable, but keep the records straight and deal in facts.
Father Time
The beginnings of a winning program had been established at that time. Ross took the first two years and had records of 2-9 and 3-8.
If you don't think Gailey can do the job, that is your opinion and is acceptable, but keep the records straight and deal in facts.
Father Time
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If Chan wins 3 games this year, HE WILL be given 1 more year. The GTAA is of the opinion that ANY coach deserves 4, but I don't think they could hold back irate alumni into a 4th year. I would think 3 years is fair to see significant improvement. Gailey took over a program not NEAR as talented as UGA, and on top of that Moore, Braine, and Clough handicapped Gailey with flunkgate.
The fact of the matter is we will lose most games this season because we only have 7 defensive lineman. 3 of them are freshman, 1 is a converted LB, and 1 has never done anything in his entire career at Tech to imply that he might have a shot at playing time. THIS IS NOT GOOD. This means we have two DLineman that have significant experience on the line (Parker and Henderson). People will eat our lunch.
Teams will beat us senseless because of this and no matter HOW good our LB's and Secondary are, it won't matter. It will be easy to run on us, and if a QB can read the blitz, he'll have a field day throwing to the open coverage. I don't care how good of a coach you are, we're going into a knife fight each week with a butter knife and one hand tied behind our back.
So get used to it. We'll probably win 4 games this year. We'll probably get blown out by Auburn, blown out by FSU, blown out by NCST, and blown out by UGA. What's sad is, even with the blow outs, it won't be a good measure of whether or not Gailey is a good coach. If he wins 6 or 7 games the guy should get Coach of the Year honors.
What really sucks is in this day and age, fans are spoiled. It's "Win Now" or "get out of Dodge". Tech is a different school than the Oklahoma's, Georgia's, and Florida's. By the way those schools are run (Huge Student Body State schools, broad curriculums, and lower academic standards on athletes) It is easy to go there and win in a short period of time. What is terrible, is we have a lot of Tech fans who look at these schools and think the same formula applies to us . It can't. We currently have the HIGHEST academic standards on football players of EVERY school in the ACC. EVEN HIGHER THAN DUKE!! This is called a competitive DISADVANTAGE. Thank you Dr. Clough!!! We have also balanced (sarcasm) this higher academic standard by broadening our curriculum. Our small curriculum is Another competitive DISADVANTAGE.
I think Gailey has a lot of kinks to work out, but I also think he's a good coach who can make us a consistent winner. Guys like Tommy Bowden, Bill Lewis, Bob Davie, etc. were in way over their heads. There's a trend those coaches have that Gailey does not. They all had little experience being a head coach and quite simply were or in Bowden's case still is, learning on the job. The problem is, if you don't have the experience to recognize what your problems are, then you really will never learn what you need to learn to win.
This is where Gailey is different. The guy has been a head coach at the college and Pro level. He's also run VERY SUCCESSFUL Offenses in Pittsburg, Denver, and Miami. At Dallas, Emmitt had some of his best productivity as a Running Back. He took that team to the playoffs and since then, they haven't been back. Even though he was disliked in Dallas, he had to deal with swarms of controversy from Michael Irvin and a team that had no discipline prior to him getting there. If you look at guys with similar backgrounds to Gailey on the college coaching level, three standout to me. Pete Carrol at USC, Groh at UVA, and Robinson at UNLV. I don't think anyone would doubt that Groh is making UVA a serious contender. Robinson has made UNLV a regular bowl team, and Carrol has brought USC back to prominence.
Gailey in Miami made a guy named Jay Fiedler good. In Pittsburg he made their Offense a high octane scoring machine. Our Coach has been there, and he's got the smarts to learn from his mistakes. I just hope that we give him enough time to prove he can do it. Firing Gailey this season could prove drastic as we will once again, start over from square one and most likely with a guy that does not have NEAR the experience as Gailey.
All I'm saying is Gailey's got the decked stacked against him, and most of it IS NOT his fault. He's had to deal with flunkgate and injuries galore since he's been our coach. On top of that, he's dealt with an incompetent AD in Dave Braine who's done little to help him out. He's also following one of our best 4 year performances in the last 40 years of our history. Yet has a team that is not indicative of coming off that successful of a period.
Now, I'm not syaing Gailey has no blame on his shoulders. The BYU game was a very conservative playcalling strategy that blew chunks.
I already made the comparison to the offense I saw at BYU to the old Redskins Coach, Joe Gibbs. Like we did Thursday at BYU, Joe Gibbs used to run a very unimaginative offense with 1 back 3 receiver sets. The difference is Gibbs offense executed flawlessly and made that offense work. We did not execute flawlessly (11 penalties, 4 turnovers). Two things that will NEVER win you games. We still had a chance to win the game too, that's what is really surprising.
There are a bunch of Tech fans here who are impatient and it's easy for them to take the attitude "our coach sucks, blah blah blah."
That's the Easy thing to do. That's the easy part. Those fans see things on the surface and that's it. I'm not saying those things are not valid, BUT THEY AREN'T VALID if you don't consider EVERYTHING ELSE TOO!! These fans often times provide no arguement as to why the coach sucks other than what they see with their EXTREMELY LIMITED football knowledge. They certainly have not shown the ability to put things in perspective.
Tech fans smell blood, and my only hope is that we can replace Braine (which would do us all wonders and ease a LOT of our pain), which might hold off the masses from axing Gailey long enough to let him show he can win.
I don't doubt that we have a coach who can make us a winner. How long is the question. I wouldn't wait 8 years, but are we willing to wait 4? Are we willing to wait 3? If we fire him after 2, would you think twice about it given the circumstances he's had to deal with OUTSIDE of coaching football on the field? I would. Especially when your alternative is get another coach that most likely won't have as much experience but will please the rowdy fans, and start back at square one.
Fire Gailey after 2 years because some fans with absolutely no knowledge (other than being a fan) of the game of football feel that he is not a good coach? I don't know about you, but I'd MUCH RATHER give Gailey 4 years on the flats to be sure than believe the whinings of some Tech fans who think he's a bad coach. Which do you think is more healthy for our program?
I'm looking forward to watching improvement out there on the field. Keeping an eye on recruiting, watching the players develop and the coaches develop. I think this staff can do good things. But right now, I just don't think it's possible, no matter how good they might be. We need to be a little patient.
The fact of the matter is we will lose most games this season because we only have 7 defensive lineman. 3 of them are freshman, 1 is a converted LB, and 1 has never done anything in his entire career at Tech to imply that he might have a shot at playing time. THIS IS NOT GOOD. This means we have two DLineman that have significant experience on the line (Parker and Henderson). People will eat our lunch.
Teams will beat us senseless because of this and no matter HOW good our LB's and Secondary are, it won't matter. It will be easy to run on us, and if a QB can read the blitz, he'll have a field day throwing to the open coverage. I don't care how good of a coach you are, we're going into a knife fight each week with a butter knife and one hand tied behind our back.
So get used to it. We'll probably win 4 games this year. We'll probably get blown out by Auburn, blown out by FSU, blown out by NCST, and blown out by UGA. What's sad is, even with the blow outs, it won't be a good measure of whether or not Gailey is a good coach. If he wins 6 or 7 games the guy should get Coach of the Year honors.
What really sucks is in this day and age, fans are spoiled. It's "Win Now" or "get out of Dodge". Tech is a different school than the Oklahoma's, Georgia's, and Florida's. By the way those schools are run (Huge Student Body State schools, broad curriculums, and lower academic standards on athletes) It is easy to go there and win in a short period of time. What is terrible, is we have a lot of Tech fans who look at these schools and think the same formula applies to us . It can't. We currently have the HIGHEST academic standards on football players of EVERY school in the ACC. EVEN HIGHER THAN DUKE!! This is called a competitive DISADVANTAGE. Thank you Dr. Clough!!! We have also balanced (sarcasm) this higher academic standard by broadening our curriculum. Our small curriculum is Another competitive DISADVANTAGE.
I think Gailey has a lot of kinks to work out, but I also think he's a good coach who can make us a consistent winner. Guys like Tommy Bowden, Bill Lewis, Bob Davie, etc. were in way over their heads. There's a trend those coaches have that Gailey does not. They all had little experience being a head coach and quite simply were or in Bowden's case still is, learning on the job. The problem is, if you don't have the experience to recognize what your problems are, then you really will never learn what you need to learn to win.
This is where Gailey is different. The guy has been a head coach at the college and Pro level. He's also run VERY SUCCESSFUL Offenses in Pittsburg, Denver, and Miami. At Dallas, Emmitt had some of his best productivity as a Running Back. He took that team to the playoffs and since then, they haven't been back. Even though he was disliked in Dallas, he had to deal with swarms of controversy from Michael Irvin and a team that had no discipline prior to him getting there. If you look at guys with similar backgrounds to Gailey on the college coaching level, three standout to me. Pete Carrol at USC, Groh at UVA, and Robinson at UNLV. I don't think anyone would doubt that Groh is making UVA a serious contender. Robinson has made UNLV a regular bowl team, and Carrol has brought USC back to prominence.
Gailey in Miami made a guy named Jay Fiedler good. In Pittsburg he made their Offense a high octane scoring machine. Our Coach has been there, and he's got the smarts to learn from his mistakes. I just hope that we give him enough time to prove he can do it. Firing Gailey this season could prove drastic as we will once again, start over from square one and most likely with a guy that does not have NEAR the experience as Gailey.
All I'm saying is Gailey's got the decked stacked against him, and most of it IS NOT his fault. He's had to deal with flunkgate and injuries galore since he's been our coach. On top of that, he's dealt with an incompetent AD in Dave Braine who's done little to help him out. He's also following one of our best 4 year performances in the last 40 years of our history. Yet has a team that is not indicative of coming off that successful of a period.
Now, I'm not syaing Gailey has no blame on his shoulders. The BYU game was a very conservative playcalling strategy that blew chunks.
There are a bunch of Tech fans here who are impatient and it's easy for them to take the attitude "our coach sucks, blah blah blah."
Tech fans smell blood, and my only hope is that we can replace Braine (which would do us all wonders and ease a LOT of our pain), which might hold off the masses from axing Gailey long enough to let him show he can win.
I don't doubt that we have a coach who can make us a winner. How long is the question. I wouldn't wait 8 years, but are we willing to wait 4? Are we willing to wait 3? If we fire him after 2, would you think twice about it given the circumstances he's had to deal with OUTSIDE of coaching football on the field? I would. Especially when your alternative is get another coach that most likely won't have as much experience but will please the rowdy fans, and start back at square one.
Fire Gailey after 2 years because some fans with absolutely no knowledge (other than being a fan) of the game of football feel that he is not a good coach? I don't know about you, but I'd MUCH RATHER give Gailey 4 years on the flats to be sure than believe the whinings of some Tech fans who think he's a bad coach. Which do you think is more healthy for our program?
I'm looking forward to watching improvement out there on the field. Keeping an eye on recruiting, watching the players develop and the coaches develop. I think this staff can do good things. But right now, I just don't think it's possible, no matter how good they might be. We need to be a little patient.
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chan gailey will not be back for another season at gt.
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I was a season ticket holder back in the Curry years (I know, after years of therapy I've lost the stutter) and I don't remember Ross taking over a crap team. What I remember is Bill Curry, the golden boy, leaving us for AlaFreakinBama. That'll pretty much destroy your team chemistry right there. It took a few years for Ross to put his stamp on the program.
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Excellent post, BO'R.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">What do you base that on? Then see my post above.
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BOR, good one, your 5th paragraph explains the vast majority of what is wrong with our program and it is NOT necessary for it to continue. It doesn't explain the "Braine Dead" issue, but it does explain the continued lack of DT's and lack of depth period.
As for how much patience is called for in regards to CCG...to me that's much more a function of how well prepared the team appears, how well we "adjust" during games (right now, this one is disconcerting), how much fight the team maintains, to what degree unpredictable imaginative play calling takes place (jury still out on this one for sure), clock management, proper use of timeouts, proper decision making regarding taking/declining penalties, and most of all...recruiting. Almost all of these measures should be in the plus column to allow for 4 years and are not currently a function of lack of DT's.
I still believe this year has the makings of '89 and that the Clemson game will foretell CCG's and the program's future over the next 2-3 years. THWG
As for how much patience is called for in regards to CCG...to me that's much more a function of how well prepared the team appears, how well we "adjust" during games (right now, this one is disconcerting), how much fight the team maintains, to what degree unpredictable imaginative play calling takes place (jury still out on this one for sure), clock management, proper use of timeouts, proper decision making regarding taking/declining penalties, and most of all...recruiting. Almost all of these measures should be in the plus column to allow for 4 years and are not currently a function of lack of DT's.
I still believe this year has the makings of '89 and that the Clemson game will foretell CCG's and the program's future over the next 2-3 years. THWG
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Gailey is gone after this year.
After watching opening weekend it is evident that Braine/Moore and flunkgate demolished this team more than most were willing to admit.
What is really a miracle is how thus far we have avoided major injury. But they are inevitable in college ball and we simply don't have any depth.
Vandy looked 100% better as I predicted. You guys who thought that was a pushover in Nashville had better re-evaluate.
Auburn played what might be the best team in the nation so I wouldn't venture to start to compare them to BYU.
It's a long way to the end, but if Georgia pastes us by 30-40 pts. like last year Braine will fire Gailey to save himself. Clough loves Braine.
You FOC should quit griping at BeeBad, BeeWare, BDGhost and others and get pissed at Braine. If you really thought he was the man you would be angry at who really undercut him.
After watching opening weekend it is evident that Braine/Moore and flunkgate demolished this team more than most were willing to admit.
What is really a miracle is how thus far we have avoided major injury. But they are inevitable in college ball and we simply don't have any depth.
Vandy looked 100% better as I predicted. You guys who thought that was a pushover in Nashville had better re-evaluate.
Auburn played what might be the best team in the nation so I wouldn't venture to start to compare them to BYU.
It's a long way to the end, but if Georgia pastes us by 30-40 pts. like last year Braine will fire Gailey to save himself. Clough loves Braine.
You FOC should quit griping at BeeBad, BeeWare, BDGhost and others and get pissed at Braine. If you really thought he was the man you would be angry at who really undercut him.
CG is not on the hot seat. The very excuses in paragraph 5 are the same people in charge (Clough). CG will be on the sidelines next year this time.
Dodd on Sportsline thinks CG safe:
Link to hot seat
Dodd on Sportsline thinks CG safe:
Link to hot seat
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Barrell, I don't base it on any fact, just my plain old opinion on what I see, which is no better than yours or anyone else's.
As much as it pains me to say this, I think the talent level of this squad in trying to match up this year is as bad as those dark years in each coaches tenure - Lewis, Ross, Curry. I am not knocking the kids on the team so don't misunderstand my statement - but the losses decimated our depth and size, we are struggling for running backs, we have one receiver (I guess, we only threw to one primarily).
More than anything, the opponents have gotten better. Wake, Duke, Vandy offer no solid wins. We may end up beating one or two but it will be a stretch to see the team that played BYU beat State, Virginia (on the road), Georgia, Auburn.
We never, ever overwhelmed anyone with talent, so I don't make my prediction on that, but when we had Joe or Godsey or even Claybrooks or someone who would go hard on defense we had some confidence. I wouldn't call it swagger ala FSU or Miami but more a definite knowledge we were going to show up and fight.
The trend is not good. We are on a losing streak. This team has been going downhill since NC State, coupled with the last year of O'Leary one can say the entire program has been on a slide. (Please, no retorts about going to the Seattle or Silicon bowls).
At this point in time I would have to say we are heading for a few more train wrecks because of the losses - should another wreck occur to Georgia on our home turf last years tempest won't be in a teapot, it will be a rebellion.
Let's hope for all of our sakes Gailey can lead this team to a few miracles.
As much as it pains me to say this, I think the talent level of this squad in trying to match up this year is as bad as those dark years in each coaches tenure - Lewis, Ross, Curry. I am not knocking the kids on the team so don't misunderstand my statement - but the losses decimated our depth and size, we are struggling for running backs, we have one receiver (I guess, we only threw to one primarily).
More than anything, the opponents have gotten better. Wake, Duke, Vandy offer no solid wins. We may end up beating one or two but it will be a stretch to see the team that played BYU beat State, Virginia (on the road), Georgia, Auburn.
We never, ever overwhelmed anyone with talent, so I don't make my prediction on that, but when we had Joe or Godsey or even Claybrooks or someone who would go hard on defense we had some confidence. I wouldn't call it swagger ala FSU or Miami but more a definite knowledge we were going to show up and fight.
The trend is not good. We are on a losing streak. This team has been going downhill since NC State, coupled with the last year of O'Leary one can say the entire program has been on a slide. (Please, no retorts about going to the Seattle or Silicon bowls).
At this point in time I would have to say we are heading for a few more train wrecks because of the losses - should another wreck occur to Georgia on our home turf last years tempest won't be in a teapot, it will be a rebellion.
Let's hope for all of our sakes Gailey can lead this team to a few miracles.
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Barrel Of Rum: I know you are trying to educate us in what is wrong at Tech and why Chan Gailey deserves more time after this year. Sorry no buying it. Chan Gailey brought in this Passing Game Coordinator-Running Game Coordinator bullshit! The fabulous Buddy Geis-Patrick Nix combo. He declared he would call the plays himself. Then everyone out there went out and bashed the hell out of Billy O'Brien! I and many others wanted Coach Gailey to bring in a Offensive Coordinator-Quarterback Coach. But most of you brought up Chan Gaileys statement that these are the coaches he is comfortable with. Which I railed against. That is a lousy reason to hire a coach I said and it still is true. Comfortable, thats a good way to choose a pair of shoes but not a football coach. These Three Amigos need to take their coaching act south of the boader where the coaching acumen will be at about the same level.
There is a dilemma. Originally, a segment of fans wanted to oust Braine. Gailey came along and some of his staff moves irritated the same segment of fans. To a larger degree, the segment was after Braine, and to a lesser degree, Gailey.
After the UGA and Fresno State fiascos, the segment saw an opportunity to get rid of both. We are well aware of the all-out attempt to oust both Gailey and Braine.
The attempt failed and has somewhat abated. At this particular time, it is almost impossible to get rid of Braine unless Gailey has another bad year.
The money backers will not spend their money foolishly to buy out Braine as long as Tech is winning in football. After all, we are all satisfied when we win. Save the money and let Braine retire in a couple of years.
So, it becomes imperative for Gailey to have a bad year for this segement of fans. If we have a bad year, this segment believes they have a chance to fan the flames again and get rid of both Gailey and Braine.
Their second option is to try to get rid of Braine, and then hope they can persuade the new AD to can Gailey. If Gailey has a good year, neither option is valid and this segment of fan's effort to oust either or both is dead.
So, the dilemma is that this segment of fans must hope for Gailey and Tech to lose if they are to get rid of either Gailey or Braine. Wins are an anathema to their agenda.
Father Time
After the UGA and Fresno State fiascos, the segment saw an opportunity to get rid of both. We are well aware of the all-out attempt to oust both Gailey and Braine.
The attempt failed and has somewhat abated. At this particular time, it is almost impossible to get rid of Braine unless Gailey has another bad year.
The money backers will not spend their money foolishly to buy out Braine as long as Tech is winning in football. After all, we are all satisfied when we win. Save the money and let Braine retire in a couple of years.
So, it becomes imperative for Gailey to have a bad year for this segement of fans. If we have a bad year, this segment believes they have a chance to fan the flames again and get rid of both Gailey and Braine.
Their second option is to try to get rid of Braine, and then hope they can persuade the new AD to can Gailey. If Gailey has a good year, neither option is valid and this segment of fan's effort to oust either or both is dead.
So, the dilemma is that this segment of fans must hope for Gailey and Tech to lose if they are to get rid of either Gailey or Braine. Wins are an anathema to their agenda.
Father Time
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While watching the Auburn-USC game last night, I heard one of the announcers make reference to USC's running backs coordinator. He, also, stated this was done in the
Pros. I don't understand why this bothers so many. Certainly didnot
hurt USC's game.
Pros. I don't understand why this bothers so many. Certainly didnot
hurt USC's game.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">I don't think there has been one person on this entire board in the last 5 months that would defend Braine. I'll give Chan a chance, but not Braine. And what do you base your Chan being fired after this year on exactly?
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Those are my sentiments too. But I could see calling for Chan to leave at the end of the year depending on how much progress we make. Until then I don't see the point in discussing it.
The AA needs a lobotomy! (Braine removal). OK lets move on.