I Here Talk Of How Much Time Gailey Will Need, Well How Long Did It...

Great post BOR.

A little while back, Clemson fired a guy after 3 consecutive 8 win (or more) seasons and they have not recovered yet - with the exception of the 2000 season until the Kerry Watkins, er, Tech game.

We don't want to be those guys. The same guy who melted down at Fresno and UGA is the same guy who pulled a rabbit out of his hat at NC State and UVA.

Instead of credit for winning twice under adversity, he is hated for losing under adversity.

Which ones of you who booed AJ and Gailey last year came on after the Fresno bowl to apologize after Bilbo stepped in and showed us that AJ had been the right choice all along?

I appreciate AJ Suggs. He's just not that good, but he was the best we had and he got better as he went, and he put up with a bunch of people who have no idea what was going on with his health and personal life at the time. There is plenty that doesn't make the paper, guys.

I appreciate Bilbo, just not at QB. I hear you - "Gailey is an idiot for yanking Bilbo so he can find a way to get him on the field. No, Wait, OK he's not so dumb, Yeah, Gailey should have picked Reggie", No, Wait, I got it, Here's why he's dumb "Why not give Reggie more plays?"

What if Gailey only ran the plays that Ball could execute?

I don't think people really remember how much we didn't have to work with last year, much less this year. We ran out of gas by FSU - and FSU could have been reversed by three plays - maybe two. Too many injuries, too many consecutive problems, many not attributable to Gailey.

The last two years we have been a program on the decline, and now we have a chance to plateau and begin on the rise. Be realistic enough to wait while this happens. The alternative is to kill continuity again so that next season is worse than this one (which will be a tough one).

So, do you want this to be the worst before the rise, or a bad one before a worse one?

Let the man work. Is he a Holtz? Probably not. Is he better than most? In my opinion, yes. He took a program that was absolutely humiliated and morally beaten last year, and he got them to fight to the last inch against BYU.

The great thing is that the problems at BYU are at least easily corrected. The ones against Auburn won't be.

Gailey has had one true recruiting season, O'Leary gate, Rick Whoever the DC-gate, some other jackass-gate after that, Carol Moore, a letter from Dave Braine, Coleman Benedict Arnold Rudolf, all of us calling for his head, and slamming the team on the internet during recruiting season, which is always, and I have yet to hear him make a single excuse.

My personal belief - no proof - is that Bill O'Brien knew he was leaving well before anybody will admit, and that he did not have the same stake in UGA and Fresno that we would have hoped. I wish the best for him and understand what may have happened that wasn't fair to him either, but I think Gailey was left holding the bag.

Who knows what Tenuta was thinking or doing at that time either. I have a hard time believing that Gailey was the only one who let us down that day.

And how many things could he have coached his way out of in that UGA game? We had injuries and we had rookies filling in everywhere with no warning time. Then, before we know it, 1 INT, 1 fumbled return inside the 10, 1 return for a TD, and we are mentally beat before 5 minutes are up. So you be the coach and tell me how you get your team back up? They were on us before we knew it.

A team, who I believe could have beaten any one in the country by that time of the year.

We are lucky to have this guy. Alabama - ALABAMA - reached the point of such a disadvantage that they became desperate to find a coach with a name. They had had to settle. We didn't. I promise we have a better coach, and one one with a better name, than they do. And he came here with less advantages.

There are so many more pieces of this puzzle than some people realize.

Gailey has answered for as many crap sandwiches that were handed to him by other people than anybody I know.

The thing that impresses me is that I have yet to hear him bitch about it.

I believe in my heart this guy has a ton to offer us if we let him work. He hasn't worked from an even plane yet. Tommy Bowden, on the other hand has had some the best athletes around and a loss and an excuse for every one of them.

Our guy deserves, at least, the time to answer only for his own mistakes.
 
I threw up a prediction of 3 or 4 wins before the BYU game so I feel I have good credentials as a realist (or as FOC say, a pessimist). Let me tell you this, Gailey will be back next year barring a no win season or a player revolt.

A win or two will secure CG's future because the reality of the situation is that Flunkgate robbed him of the opportunity to succeed. I think it also robs fans of the opportunity to judge Gailey this year or even the next. I say he has two more years at the minimum barring a loss of condifence by his players in him.

Barring Ball carrying the team on his back, I see next year as a rough one too. Not necessarily Chan's fault. Look, I think it can take time to rebuild a program without a gimmick offense. (Gimmick offenses make you competitive instantly but have limited upside). For example, I like Bunting at Carolina but he is going to have a second terrible year in a row. Sometimes there is just nothing in the tank and I'd say we have very little in ours right now.

I have a gut feeling on Chan. But a gut feeling is no justifiable reason to fire a man.
 
I wouldn't count a no win season out, and neither would I count out one of those where the players throw in the towel.

Now, for Ahso. your vain attempt to once again link everyone who doesn't agree with you to us actually wanting Tech to lose is getting old.

Predictions and opinions are gonna hurt because everyone except those with their head in the sand or those who don't care state with their head as well as their heart.

We can just as easily say you pull for Tech to lose to prove this or that.

Here is the truth. Braine is an idiot. Gailey learned on the job which was not part of the package. Gailey, for all his travels and NFL experience, assembled a second rate staff, and either took Braine's insistence that BOB be the coordinator or didn't fire his ass after spring training and name his own.

No we don't pull for Tech to lose so can it.

Like it or not Clough/Braine/Gailey are linked. Take the whole package or clean it out.
 
Originally posted by Father WASP:
Like it or not Clough/Braine/Gailey are linked. Take the whole package or clean it out.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Given your choices, here is beeware's vote:

CLEAN IT OUT.......NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Father Wasp: You are correct. I don't want Georgia Tech to lose! Winning! They that believe you, me, amd others want the Jackets to lose so we can get a new coach is not thinking soberly. I went to practice and made a report and it and other thoughts of mine during that thread was right on with the exception of the kicking game, which was much better than what I saw roughly three weeks ago. I mentioned what bothered me the most: the delay of game penalties and dropped passes. I guess I should have said dropping the passes after catching it first but whose quibbling? I also mentioned the pass thrown into a crowd by Reggie Ball, which is something he did Thursday against BYU but fortunatly for us we had a questionable pass interference call go our way. I also brought up later in the thread the fact that I saw no option, which made no sense to me with an excellent athlete at quarterback. I can see why I did'nt see it now. Looks like it is not part of Coach Gailey's plans. Plus I mentioned the lack of fire from all the coaches with the exception of Coach Tenuta. All of this and more stood out as far as I was concerned and reported it as such. I also mentioned the positives I saw. One that stands out in my mind is where was Damarius Bilbo and Reshaun Grant? Are they hurt, was they disciplined for something? Who Knows. But Grant was the best, the speediest and shiftiest back I saw that day and I question his absence from the BYU game. I also spoke of the half jogging that passed as wind sprints at the end of the practice by the offensive players. If you want to question stamina theres the place to start and not lack of numbers or altitude or any other such nonsense. I pulled my punches shortly after the hiring of Buddy Geis and the announcement of this wishy-washy setup of Coach Gailey. I railed against it but afterwards until now.... I got in between the Ms.Tech/BeeBad group and the BellySeries/Ahso's bunch. But after Thursday there only one thing to say......We have to win Saturday....No moral victories....No excuses....Or making vacation plans alot earlier this year is a possibility for Coach Gailey and his staff. As of Dave Braine? He can be assured his fishing plans will go uninterrupted if this mess gets much larger than what it is now.
 
I for one do not understand the venom that is directed towards Coach Gailey. His hiring didn't excite me, but I didn't know much about him at the time. Almost everyone that worked with him in the pros seems to hold him in high regard.

You have to remember, Georgia Tech is a unique place. (For those of you that need a dictionary, this means it is one of a kind.) That is the main reason I am a fan, although I got two of my three degrees from there. There are only a handful of schools in the country that do their athletices the right way, and Tech is one of them.

All Tech coaches, unless they have coached here before, learn on the job. The school part interferes with the football part. You may not remember, but Coach Ross admitted after his first year that if he had known what he was getting into, he would not have taken the job. He was appalled that the players took their school work with them on road trips, instead of only focussing on the upcoming game.

You have to face facts - few coaches want to come here, and few great players. As great a place as Atlanta is, and as good an education as they can get at Tech, (a meaningful degree instead of one that will only qualify them for sorting mail at the post office) few football players really want that. They want a place they can coast, have a good time, and play in front of 80,000 fans on game day. For the most part, we get the players that the big schools ignore. If Georgia or FSU had wanted most of our roster, that is where they would be.

Gailey must be given a chance to do it his way. I think that to win at Tech, you have to be very creative so you can win with inferior talent. You also must be disciplined so that you execute and have few penalties and turnovers. (This is what made Friedgen so successful here.) From what I can tell, Gailey is neither of these things, but seems to think he can attract enough talent to be successful with a more straight forward offensivel philosophy. Maybe he can accomplish his goals, but he must be given the opportunity to win his way.

The alternative is to run him off after two years, leaving us with another transition, and very few coaches that would seriously consider coming here to coach. The best we could hope for would be someone from successful smaller school, who if they were successful at Tech, would only use it to move on to a football factory.

Gailey has stated credibly that he will be at Tech for the rest of his career. He also recognized the special place Tech is and is committed to approaching his job the right way. Lets give him a chance. If his way doesn't work and he then cannot change his offensive philosophy to win consistently, we can send him down the road.

For those of you that bash Clough and want to win at all costs, the UGA bandwagon still has plenty of seats available. With the talent they always have, and with a coach that finally does't screw that advantage up, they will be winning for a long time.
 
Jacketlaw - Good post.

StatelineJacket - Not positive, but pretty sure, Grant had a an ankle or knee sprain or something. I think there was an injury reason he didn't play.

Bilbo on the other hand, I agree. We really need to, and should have, had that guy on the field. Maybe there was a reason - I have no idea on that one.
 
Originally posted by jacketlaw:
For those of you that bash Clough and want to win at all costs, the UGA bandwagon still has plenty of seats available. With the talent they always have, and with a coach that finally does't screw that advantage up, they will be winning for a long time.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Don't agree with you on this statement. No one wants to win at all costs and run an unclean program. HOWEVER, that being said, having the toughest academic requirements for football players in the ACC (YES IT IS TRUE, WE ARE EVEN TOUGHER THAN DUKE) and the fact that we have a limited curriculum, unlike the rest of our competition, we need to make some changes, otherwise we will continue to go into gun fights wielding a butter knife. That's a FACT!
 
jacketlaw, welcome aboard. For some historical perspective, I have never seen one, not one post either here or on The Hive calling for a ugag style academic sellout. There have been and surely will continue to be however, many posts calling for legitimate changes to our curricula so as to join the 21st century as it pertains to D-1 football reality. The idyllic old south died and should have, just as the idyllic notion of consistently winning at D-1 football with players who are academically far superior to the vast majority of the competition should. THWG
 
jacketlaw said
I for one do not understand the venom that is directed towards Coach Gailey
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">I think a big part of the problem is his aloofness. Since he doesn't talk to people or the media fans perceive that he has a no it all attitude.

Everybody loves a Fulmer, Spurrier, Richt, Bowden becuase they talk football all the time to anybody.

John Bunting sent Tony Hollings a note when he got hurt. That is class and it is priceless.

When I lived in Tampa I used to watch the Spurrier show. Fans would call in and complain about why so and so isn't playing. Spurrier would cock his head and say that John could be a good player but he is lazy and needs to work harder. That is candid and fans appreciate that.

These guys are recruiting every waking minute trying to impress whoever they see wehrever they see them. A player, a brother, a mom, a dad,a grandparent. We have to accept that CG is not a "fans" coach. He may or may not be competant - that remains to be seen. After next year we will have a good idea.

Here we have an AA that does everything it can to antagonize the fan base and a coaching staff that is no where to be seen. Beau is a butt-hole but I have to wonder if the flagship station was covering ugag would MR kick Munson off the field?

And ahso gives this board way too much credit. I doubt anyone sits around and thinks how their post can get rid of CG or Braine or Clough. Money talks and that is who makes the decisions - not this board. Look how CG was hired. This board is great free entertainment for us fans that want to win and hate losing. Anyone who thinks that other than sharing ideas and entertaining each other this board has some mystical power to get rid of coaches is delusional.
 
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