I was curious who else runs the flexbone/option offense in D-1

johncu said:
Please, someone with more knowledge than me can feel free to chime in, but here are some differences between our "option" and most option plays you see in CFB right now:

3) We use run 'n shoot passing schemes vs. traditional spread passing or RPOs
-Completely different route tree - run n shoot relies on option routes where QB and receiver read the defense (we are doing a poor job this year)
-"New school" spread passing gets the ball out on the perimeter quicker and utilizes much more short and horizontal passing
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I'm calling BS on this one. I watched the run and shoot from the 80s and even saw a QB from U. Houston (Andre Ware) win the Heisman in the system. We do ZERO of the run and shoot I've observed in the past. The run and shoot I observed actually involves completed passes and a lot of them. It needs a QB who can be accurate with great timing in short to medium routes. I have never seen any of these elements here at GT under CPJ.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
I'm calling BS on this one. I watched the run and shoot from the 80s and even saw a QB from U. Houston (Andre Ware) win the Heisman in the system. We do ZERO of the run and shoot I've observed in the past. The run and shoot I observed actually involves completed passes and a lot of them. It needs a QB who can be accurate with great timing in short to medium routes. I have never seen any of these elements here at GT under CPJ.
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What are you calling BS on? We use a lot of the same principles as they did, we're just not very good at it.
 
johncu said:
What are you calling BS on? We use a lot of the same principles as they did, we're just not very good at it.
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Do you say this because coach said 10 years ago "wait until I put in the run and shoot part of this offense" or because you have actually observed the RnS? The only thing resembling the run and shoot in our offense is we occasionally run a pass route and try to complete it. If we actually do have it in our offense, we must not practice it because we are *extremely* bad at the forward pass.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
Do you say this because coach said 10 years ago "wait until I put in the run and shoot part of this offense" or because you have actually observed the RnS? The only thing resembling the run and shoot in our offense is we occasionally run a pass route and try to complete it. If we actually do have it in our offense, we must not practice it because we are *extremely* bad at the forward pass.
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We 100% run Run N shoot concepts in our route tree. We had misreads on each of our games this year.

I think it was Alcorn where Stewert (?) didn’t break off his route while Marshall thought he was. Those option routes are straight from that philosophy.
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
We 100% run Run N shoot concepts in our route tree. We had misreads on each of our games this year.

I think it was Alcorn where Stewert (?) didn’t break off his route while Marshall thought he was. Those option routes are straight from that philosophy.
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QB-WR synchronized route reading is not exclusive to the RnS offense, by the way, but lets assume we are actually trying to do the run n shoot. Why then are we so horrible at completing the simplest passes? The RnS offenses from the 80s had ultra high completion percentages and guys running wide open on any given play. Andre Ware won his heisman from simply being able to throw a short pass to a wide open receiver. We are terrible at passing, maybe even the worst in all of D-1.
 
I think the greatest problem this offense has, currently, is that every team we face practices against it every week in prep, as well as spring. That's not something any other team in our conference faces. And then because they spend so much time prepping vs Tech, they blow chunks against Penn State or whoever.

If we could ever execute the passing game properly, I'd like to see us just flat ass throw every down and see what we could do with that, while they're all jacked up against the option.
 
beej67 said:
I think the greatest problem this offense has, currently, is that every team we face practices against it every week in prep, as well as spring. That's not something any other team in our conference faces. .
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If true, then our scheme is a real disadvantage for us. Any proof of this?
 
Why does the offense continue being a talking point when discussing CPJ's job security? CPJ has 99 problems, but offense sure as shit ain't one of them.
 
18in32 said:
Maybe we should look at a reel of Ga So lowlights before deciding to adopt their scheme.

The only thing that matters is results. "Just win, baby."
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Good point. You could make a considerable highlight tape of CPJ's offense and you would think it's unstoppable. As an offense by itself, it is actually a good offense. The problem is it causes a weird team dynamic where everything else must suck way below average, thus to win you must have not just a good offense but an unstoppable offense. When this offense is not unstoppable (i.e. stoppable/above average), it feels like a failure because of all the other baggage that comes with it.
 
In 2018 the triple option offense is not effective with a running back playing QB. The GT offense has to find more balance. The 2017 & 2018 versions are the most one dimensional CPJ has fielded.


Here are some others reasons GT stock is falling:
CPJ has not adapted the offense over the last decade and it has hurt recruiting.
The advent of 7 on 7 and
High school football being more pass oriented and less physical
Rule change Eliminating perimeter cut blocking
The media's continued negative representation of triple Option football.

I have enjoyed watching GT option football since 2008 but I'm afraid CPJ's run is over.
 
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