I was thinking about the three way tie...

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Xihix

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Anything is possible, so I say we discuss this.

If there ends up being a three way tie in our division if we beat VPI and Miami, VPI, and us all go 11-1, the winner of the division will be the one with the highest BCS ranking.

How do you guys feel about this? After seeing how crappy our opponents have turned out this season (I thought FSU and UGAg would be the same or a little worse), I don't think our schedule would have the strength of Miami's. VPI is also another media darling, so I don't think we'd pull ahead against them either.

I only see things going well for us if CPJ decides to run up the score a lot in our last three games. Otherwise, I'm feeling like we're going to get shafted. I don't see three ACC teams going to BCS bowls, either. Maybe two, if again, we all go 11-1.
 
The ACC can't send three teams to BCS bowls anyway, per BCS rules.

Honestly, if we go 11-1 I'm going to be happy with us winning whatever bowl game we go to even if there's no ACCCG or BCS bowl in it for us.
 
Xihix said:
Anything is possible, so I say we discuss this.

If there ends up being a three way tie in our division if we beat VPI and Miami, VPI, and us all go 11-1, the winner of the division will be the one with the highest BCS ranking.

How do you guys feel about this? After seeing how crappy our opponents have turned out this season (I thought FSU and UGAg would be the same or a little worse), I don't think our schedule would have the strength of Miami's. VPI is also another media darling, so I don't think we'd pull ahead against them either.

I only see things going well for us if CPJ decides to run up the score a lot in our last three games. Otherwise, I'm feeling like we're going to get shafted. I don't see three ACC teams going to BCS bowls, either. Maybe two, if again, we all go 11-1.
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You're forgetting that VPI lost to Alabama. They couldn't be 11-1 and in a three-way tie scenario. They would have to be 10-2. I think Miami would end up going, assuming they don't lose to South Florida. That's why I wanted for them to lose last night, because even though it wouldn't look good for the ACC I think it would have helped our chances.

Basically, Miami winning last night may hurt our chances and it may not. Miami losing, at worst, would have had no effect on our chances.
 
It's a bit more complicated than that...

7. The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the conclusion of regular season games shall be the divisional representative in the ACC Championship Game, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or-fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the ACC Championship Game.
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http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/082105aad.html

I also doubt that if us, UM, and VPI win out (except for VPI losing to us), the ACC wouldn't get an at-large bid. UM would likely go to the ACCCG and us, after a win against Georgia, should most definitely get an at-large bid. It has a snowball's chance in hell of happening though.

On a sidebar, what's with the 8 tiebreakers under two team head-to-head. There's no ties anymore as far as I know.
 
Oh crap, I forgot about Alabama entirely. Haha, whoops.

Ok then, so they're out of the picture then if we all win the rest of our games. So, could we go to something like the Sugar Bowl or something if we go undefeated?
 
Yeah, I guess a BCS bowl would be an acceptable consolation prize if we get shut out of the ACCCG on a tiebreaker (again). It kinda sucks you have to basically go undefeated in the Coastal to have a legit shot at the championship game. The Atlantic division has it much easier. But to answer your original question... My pie-in-the-sky prediction would be that there won't be a three-way tie at the end of the season... I think it'd be down to us and Miami. No matter how you slice the tie breakers (head to head, BCS rank) we'd come up with the poop end of the stick.
 
Enuratique said:
Yeah, I guess a BCS bowl would be an acceptable consolation prize if we get shut out of the ACCCG on a tiebreaker (again). It kinda sucks you have to basically go undefeated in the Coastal to have a legit shot at the championship game. The Atlantic division has it much easier. But to answer your original question... My pie-in-the-sky prediction would be that there won't be a three-way tie at the end of the season... I think it'd be down to us and Miami. No matter how you slice the tie breakers (head to head, BCS rank) we'd come up with the poop end of the stick.
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Well, only one of three could get in, and Oklahoma > Georgia. If this scenario actually happened, I don't know what GT could you really stand on, especially since Miami did beat us.
 
Xihix said:
Oh crap, I forgot about Alabama entirely. Haha, whoops.

Ok then, so they're out of the picture then if we all win the rest of our games. So, could we go to something like the Sugar Bowl or something if we go undefeated?
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Virginia Tech and Miami both have greater chances at making an at large birth than us. A 3 loss Notre Dame would get picked before us. A 2 loss Michigan, Ohio State, or Penn State would get picked before us, A 2 loss SEC, Pac 10 or Big 12 school would get picked before us. The BCS is made for money not the best matchups. Bowl selection committees would look at Tech and then decide that we would not travel as well as some other team. In the end it is all about money.
 
floridajacket said:
Well, only one of three could get in, and Oklahoma > Georgia. If this scenario actually happened, I don't know what GT could you really stand on, especially since Miami did beat us.
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Exactly! The best we can hope for is them to **** the bed against Clemson... It was that UNC and Clemson had the best chance, but I don't think either team has what it takes... But that's why they play the game.
 
If a 3 loss ND team gets an at-large bid, I'm going to burn the NCAA's headquarters to the ground.
 
floridajacket said:
If a 3 loss ND team gets an at-large bid, I'm going to burn the NCAA's headquarters to the ground.
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I will provide the gasoline. If they finish in the top 10 with 3 losses, they will play in a BCS game.
 
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Xihix said:
Anything is possible, so I say we discuss this.

If there ends up being a three way tie in our division if we beat VPI and Miami, VPI, and us all go 11-1, the winner of the division will be the one with the highest BCS ranking.

How do you guys feel about this? After seeing how crappy our opponents have turned out this season (I thought FSU and UGAg would be the same or a little worse), I don't think our schedule would have the strength of Miami's. VPI is also another media darling, so I don't think we'd pull ahead against them either.

I only see things going well for us if CPJ decides to run up the score a lot in our last three games. Otherwise, I'm feeling like we're going to get shafted. I don't see three ACC teams going to BCS bowls, either. Maybe two, if again, we all go 11-1.
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Don't think about it as it will drive you crazy. If we can't win the division outright (probably unlikely) then we won't likely fare well in tiebreaker situations.
 
VPI is also another media darling
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I don't think I'd consider Va. Tech a media darling. It's not as if a lot of people love watching 14-6 games with a defensive TD and a TD on a blocked field goal.

I found this on bleacher report:

What is the BCS really all about? It's the Benjamins, and it is here where the Irish are clearly favored, and unjustly so, in the current BCS equation.

Each BCS conference gets approximately $18.3 million for its participation in the BCS bowls. If they send a second team to a BCS bowl (ie. Florida and Alabama both played in BCS bowls for the 2008 season), then the conference that sends a second team receives an additional $4.5 million.

The numbers don't lie— around $18.3 million for a 12 member conference averages out to about $1.525 million per team. If they send a second team to a BCS bowl, that comes out to roughly $1.875 million per team.

Notre Dame, however, has a "special" clause.

Notre Dame receives 1/66th of the net revenues after expenses.

No matter what.

That's right. They can have a 3-9 season and get 1/66th of the revenues for stinking badly—1/66th comes out to approximately $1.3 million dollars, by the way.

But there's more. If Notre Dame is selected as a BCS bowl participant, they are guaranteed a whopping $4.5 million. Period. All to themselves. No sharing with a conference.

When you consider that all the non-BCS conferences (MWC, WAC, MAC, C-USA and Sun Belt) get an aggregate of nine percent of revenues ($9.6 million, last year, $1.92 million per conference) and $4.5 million to ALL the non-BCS conferences ($900,000 per conference) if one of their members goes to a BCS bowl, clearly, there is some disparity.

A BCS conference team that sends a second team BCS bowling gets to keep the extra $4.5 million within its conference, rather than have to share it with the other BCS conferences. The non-BCS conferences have to share all of it.

Some persepctive, if you will.
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Guys,
While I know what you're saying about GT getting screwed traditionally in bowls, ya gotta realize GT with PJ is a media darling. People LIKE to watch this offense; it's fun, unorthodox, and productive.

If we go 11-1 we'll be in the BCS.
 
floridajacket said:
It's a bit more complicated than that...



http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/082105aad.html

I also doubt that if us, UM, and VPI win out (except for VPI losing to us), the ACC wouldn't get an at-large bid. UM would likely go to the ACCCG and us, after a win against Georgia, should most definitely get an at-large bid. It has a snowball's chance in hell of happening though.

On a sidebar, what's with the 8 tiebreakers under two team head-to-head. There's no ties anymore as far as I know.
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If they're the same record, but did not play against each other...

If somehow we're more than 5 spots ahead of them then that's the only way we can beat UM in the tiebreaker is that right?
 
It would be a very unusual occurence ---especially this year--for the ACC to get two BCS berths. Not impossible, but highly unlikely. The Murphy's Law prediction would be if we win out, Miami wins out; or Miami gets the loss we need them to get and we get tripped along the way. Lots and lots of combinations and permutations in between.
 
If we go 11-1, beat Georgia, and get edged out of the ACCCG by Miami because their 11-1 is better than our 11-1 for BCS rank, then honestly we've got quite a good chance of making an at-large BCS berth provided Miami wins the conference.

If there's a 3 way tie at 10-2 or 9-3 and we get edged by Miami, then we might not make a BCS, but we wouldn't deserve it anyway.

Lets just win some games and see what happens. I don't think this is a 10 win team anyway, with our defense like it's currently playing, but I'd be very pleased if we could put together back to back 9 win seasons for the first time in umpteen years.
 
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